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Liberalism is for troglodytes: 5/17/2016 14:40:07


Angry Koala
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A government cannot be created from it's composite parts like you are proposing. This state would have infinite hardships attempting to corner markets like protection, various infrastructure markets, and folk who've had freedom and are willing to defend it.


Quite unrealistic, freedom without laws defending them, again you are living in an utopian world Major.
A Megacorporation could easily enforce their power: These companies may be so powerful that they can ignore the law, possess their own heavily armed (often military-sized) private armies, hold 'sovereign' territory, and possibly even act as outright governments. These companies are primarily responsible to their shareholders, not to those affected by their actions. Evil companies may be larger than the economies of some of the states within which they operate, and can wield significant economic and political power. No international treaties exist to specifically regulate the behavior of evil companies with regard to human rights or environmental rights. They often exercise a large degree of control over their employees, taking the idea of 'corporate culture' to an extreme.
Liberalism is for troglodytes: 5/17/2016 15:28:08


Major General Smedley Butler
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Please The Lord, consider going to Syria and staying there. There's lots of folk trying to govern each other there, and they use violence to do it, so you will fit in.

The police attempting to take property away from you is a denial of property rights and a attack on you. You have the inherent right to resist with deadly force against robbers like that.
Liberalism is for troglodytes: 5/17/2016 15:39:04


Lordi
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Please The Lord, consider going to Syria and staying there. There's lots of folk trying to govern each other there, and they use violence to do it, so you will fit in.

Better Assad than ISIS tbh.


The police attempting to take property away from you is a denial of property rights and a attack on you. You have the inherent right to resist with deadly force against robbers like that.

Denial of property rights huh? What about rapists and murderers, then? Are they morally allowed to defend themselves against people who want to punish them in some way, such as throwing them to prison? Or is it everyone fend for themselves?
Liberalism is for troglodytes: 5/17/2016 15:41:57


Major General Smedley Butler
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They deny property rights too, no reason you shouldn't be able to shoot them if they're attacking you. If it's post crime, try them and if they're guilty, shoot them , gaol them, or kick them out of town.
Liberalism is for troglodytes: 5/17/2016 15:53:11


Lordi
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They deny property rights too, no reason you shouldn't be able to shoot them if they're attacking you. If it's post crime, try them and if they're guilty, shoot them , gaol them, or kick them out of town.

But how do I try them if there is no state and thereby no courts? Vigilante justice? Can I decide myself what punishment is appropriate?
Liberalism is for troglodytes: 5/17/2016 16:25:16


Major General Smedley Butler
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Get some folk together, review evidence and vote.
Liberalism is for troglodytes: 5/17/2016 16:41:52


Lordi
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Get some folk together, review evidence and vote.

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You don't believe that's enough yourself, do you?

Since there is no state, there is no law, no courts, no judges, no police. But now a handful of average Joes should be able to do what is difficult even for professional judges, that is find out the probable truth of the matter and eventually agree on a fitting punishment/verdict. And they cannot exactly put the culprit into jail, can they? There is no police, no prison guard, no nothing to make sure the inmates stay in place. They pretty much have to do a Molineux on the spot (ie shoot the murderer between the eyes). Is this seriously an improvement to current society in your view?
Liberalism is for troglodytes: 5/17/2016 17:30:14


Major General Smedley Butler
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But now a handful of average Joes should be able to do what is difficult even for professional judges, that is find out the probable truth of the matter and eventually agree on a fitting punishment/verdict

Juries already do this, and they're pretty average folk in them.

And they cannot exactly put the culprit into jail, can they? There is no police, no prison guard, no nothing to make sure the inmates stay in place

Local gaols, private gaols and volunteer gaolers/private gaolers.

Is this seriously an improvement to current society in your view?

Better than now, so yes. Not tens of thousands of folk in gaol for victimless crimes.
Liberalism is for troglodytes: 5/17/2016 18:03:30


Lordi
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Juries already do this, and they're pretty average folk in them.

There may be a jury at the lowest level court to find the right punishment. Even in those courts they don't entrust juries with the finding of fact. That's what the judge does. They don't trust juries with pretty much anything. Even in current society where there is such a thing as law. In your dream society, juries would give judgement based on how they are feeling that day.

Local gaols, private gaols and volunteer gaolers/private gaolers.

Who would volunteer to bee a jailkeeper? You? And why do you assume there to be such a thing as private jails, private jailers, or private property? And even if that were not a problem, how would people trade goods? By trading apples for oranges? Would they keep gold locked up in their house.


Better than now, so yes. Not tens of thousands of folk in gaol for victimless crimes.

How do you expect the average Joe to give fair and good verdicts in court if 99% of them don't even understand the merits of your anarchist utopia? You are basically modeling your justice system after Australian aboriginals or Native Americans.
Liberalism is for troglodytes: 5/17/2016 18:33:15


adrian waco
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the major general should move to somalia and live out his fantasy there

let us know how it goes for you
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