1 account per isp

Fair point. Comcast only has enough bandwidth to support one account anyway.

@Platinum
Let me just copy paste Ayans post

Dear thread creator and others, I got the information about AI cheating on the ladder just today and I am going to put it up for the Council's consideration! But! Not because you are crying and complaining here, but because we- M'Hunters have been always staying for good sportsmanship in games. There are some cases in our history when we voted out decent members (Michal Cucerituril, Sandy SK-CZ..) for their distracting and disrespectfull behaviour towards other players.
I also would ask you to turn to our mature and honoured Council, if you would have further complains about my awesome clan mates.

Cheers

Now, the MH council is made of 5 players, and they discuss things before any action is taken. Thus, if any action is taken by MH and what that action is it no point into speculating on the forums.

Why is stalling considered to be cheating?

It is an unethical form of gaming the system, but as far as I can tell, it is allowable within the current set of rules, which means it is, by definition, not a form of cheating.


EDIT: Also, props to MH's official response. Sorry if some of us were quick to accuse you all of not doing the due diligence of investigating the situation.

Edited 5/17/2016 22:31:39

Is threatening cats considered cheating?

Get your facts right... As soon as we heard he cheated we gave him the opportunity to defend himself.

To set the record straight, I do indeed have my facts right.


You and your clan claimed to have no knowledge of Arlecchino's cheating until I took up the issue on the forums. Whether or not you are truthful in this claim doesn't matter: at the time, he was getting away with it whatever answer you give.

After I called him out on it, the first post was deleted. I posted again. Deleted again, and Fizzer warns me to not make another post. I make a third anyway, and, finally, progress is made. I refused to back down until the issue was resolved, and it was. It never would have happened if I had not fought the issue on the forums. Thus, my facts are, in fact, right.

You claimed he was getting away with it and he was not. Until it was made public on the forum we had no knowledge of his cheating. You could have sent us a message to warn us but you never did. Within 2 days of the forum post he was banned from the clan because he refused to respond in clan chat on the matter.

You say fizzer didn't do anything until your third forum post? Maybe you should realize he can't ban anyone without having proof. Especially since there was real money involved in the matter. He could have been in serious trouble if he banned someone without proof (not to mention if he was wrong). You made 3 forum post in a day so saying he didn't take action until the 3th was made is bullshit. He does need time to find out if the allegations were true

Yeah, but you're not exposing cheaters right now. Saying "AI is a cheater" isn't news to anybody who hasn't seen the last thread, so I don't know what you're "reporting".

Instead, for some reason you think it matters to you whether M'Hunters keep a cheater in their clan or not, when it's their decision.

Shrink your ego.

It sounds like some people are forgetting that he didn't just stall, he played against his alt, which gives him a free win against an account with a decent rating. Maybe he didn't know it was cheating at the time, but when people pointed it out to him, he continued stalling and didn't withdraw from the ladder until after he was ranked, because as he himself said, he wanted to get a good ranking.

Nobody can obligate M'Hunters to do anything about it; but I think the community's free to say what they think about the matter. I have to say though, in the little experience I've had with M'Hunters, I've found them to be unusually good sports. Not too long ago they surrenedered in a 3v3 ladder game when the player with the most income from my team got booted. They made the decision themselves without any prompting from us because they felt that they were losing, and they didn't want to win because of a boot.

No one is forgetting the play against himself, that's precisely why this made a buzz. Stalling isn't a new thing and it's not at all against the rules.

MoD I understand the stalling in Ranking system. I am not against Ladders. Well ranking is meant to be taken seriously otherwise whats the point, right. But still it is not cheating and yes you get advantage on others expense. But what prevents you and everyone doing the same, nothing.
I am not saying nor proposing the stalling to be new norm, but it is just not cheating. Also I do not regard it nice game-play nor suggest anyone to practice it. Does one really want to be ranked 1. while he knows he actually "strategically" played the system against its own rules? Well as we see more than plenty practices it.

As I proposed on one other thread, 1. Trophy should not be granted for player just being ranked 1. for a second or a day, he should be able to keep it for X amount of Games or %win ratio against top 25-teams-players. I do not think it is possible to fix the rating system? ELO is best out there, but not just suited that way for Warlight concept. Deflation/inflation is not that big issue actually. I play for the game and all this fancy external stuff is just, you know external and insignificant, I think 100-200 verified player CLOT ladder would be much intriguing prestige. Community held, managed and judged! One would first need to prove his worthy playing there. As long as Warlight offers such Custom features there is place for me here!

About the team-games. Yes as I said its true in this sense. And probably mostly in Ladder form yes, but ladder is probably 10% of warlight games (random guess). In most games with average players, 1-player Team beats multi-player team often due to the communication order co-ordination issue, which one player can organize much efficiently. And as far as we know Fizzer is not making 10% players game, he is out there for the masses and especially when waright is slightly growing at least in numbers of new accounts registered.

I'm wondering how stupid is this thread, on a scale of 1 to 10. Probably 13.

Cheating should be punished properly. If the problem is dealt with, maybe the game would grow more and I wouldn't have to wait such a long time to get a game going. The community seems kind of tiny, to be honest.

I'm not really sure how small or large it actually is, but I am definitely surprised that a game with this many multiplayer opportunities isn't more "together." It is a very isolated and insular community, as best as I can tell.

It does feel a bit as if some people have a huge need to compensate for something by reaching a rank on a ladder.

Until a few days ago, I wasn't even aware that there is such a thing as ladder cheating. Most things one has to do for it (like leaving ladder and rejoining it once the desired opponent finished a game) are pretty stupid and way too annoying to do. Same goes for stalling games.

Why can't people just have fun playing a great browser game? Instead people make a sport of using loop holes in order to reach an imaginary rank in some pretty unimportant game.
I don't understand why anyone would invest even a second of thought into that.
But I also don't understand why this behaviour is worth such a bitching. Yeah, ladder stalling is annoying, but there are enough other games to play. The rank one can reach is just some number on a website. So what? It doesn't matter.
Things would be way easier if everyone got their poo together and at least try to behave like adults.

@Semicedevine

Hell is my alt

We already sent our best dog (who is a good dog? --> you are!) to sniff for leads. There was no lead pointing in your direction nor in the direction of another Wolf member. Our most promising lead points to a member of a clan which used to be big but now is small.

Faisal (sorry but I can't type in the appropriate script atm), its not about who I have met. It is about who I have not met.

In other words, I am really frustrated by the huge number of games I've been in that have been decided by boots. Why do you think my 1v1 record looks as stellar as it does? Lord knows I'm nowhere near as good as that percentage belies. Additionally, it seems like every multi-day team game I join is ultimately decided by who continues to log in. I'd join a clan, but most clans won't even consider someone this new, so all I can do is rack up the boot wins until I meet some magical threshold that then makes me eligible to apply.


Whether it is the fault of the design warlight.net as a whole, the actual games themselves, or the community and the individuals it is composed of, this is not an inclusive community.

I mean many of the mega clans would probably accept you.

@Dogberry:

If you are interested then feel free to apply for M'Hunters. I assess the skill levels of our potential recruits and I don't care about levels but only about OK play according to my strategy guide (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NyhCpIQKShAbWGXicO_ph9whV_UyMS-3a7_re0C7R8Y/edit?pref=2&pli=1#heading=h.g1s8mzy7wor0) (what should translate to ladder ranks of <= 150).

We aim for competitive, chatty and very fair play, as Jaymer has pointed out, refering to following game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10147864

If AI has failed to uphold our maxim then we certainly don't approve his behavior however we are a very tolerant clan which only in the rarest cases kicks active members. As my clan mates surrendered in the linked game they did it knowing that this would make both their opponents and themself happy. I don't care about the opening poster slandering M'Hunters reputation but find his attempt rather amusing. I also didn't kick Nogals out of our clan as he called me out as a racist in our clan forums and this certainly wasn't because I approve getting insulted. I'm no weak King jong il who has to secure his power by kicking out potentially dangerous members. M'Hunters is the clan of the free people.

Edited 5/18/2016 02:13:41

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If they cheat on CL, the player will be banned there. Ladder cheating should be adressed by Fizzer.

Why target CL and not ALL leagues?

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Why target CL and not ALL leagues?

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Morality : just get booted if you play against a MH ^^. I dont agree with that surrender.

Hell's thread reminds me a lot of Knyte's thread. Trying to get someone bullied by the community. Are they the same person ? Hmm.

Anyway, AI is claimed to be a cheater in this thread. Can we quote where it says having 2 accounts in the ladder is cheating ? And still, does that automatically means he is cheating ? I interpret cheating as manipulating rules to get an advantage on opponent. But to me, it seems AI just wanted to reach the highest possible rank, with any account. I doubt he created a second account with the intention to serve the interest of the other one (which would be indeed cheating).

AI is skilled enough to be able to compete for top ranks without cheating, and his rank(s) is deserved - on top of sounding like a nice guy and anything but a fraudulent or bad person. So please, he is trying to reach the top rank via 2 accounts. He had to face himself in 1 game. Deal with it. Nothing wrong here, move on.