That's nice dear, but why not try addressing the title of the thread and telling us what the make-believe council has decided regarding AI? I think that's all we're really waiting for.

Thanks.

That's nice dear, but why not try addressing the title of the thread and telling us what the make-believe council has decided regarding AI? I think that's all we're really waiting for.

Thanks.

No, nobody is interested in that. People are much more interested who Hell is and since he decided to attack the Master Hunters we decided to hunt him down like a rabbit. As I already stated M'Hunters is the clan of the free people not big mama state punishing their children so you are obviously just trying to divert attention to another topic where I have already stated what will happen.

The real issue here is that if Knight is right that I indeed pointed out Hell as Forbidden Knowledge then Hell would be a convicted ladder cheater himself who now thinks he can safely attack the Master Hunters. He didn't reveal anything with this thread, he just thought attacking M'Hunters would be a safe thing to do. He thought people would clap applause and nobody would be capable to track him down hiding behind his proxy.

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No, nobody is interested in that.

Well, i'm. That makes at least one person interested in that.
And really don't care who Hell is (altough i'm also consider using alts to start shit-storm as low behaviour)

He didn't reveal anything with this thread

Maybe he didn't reveal nothing new, but he pointed out two things:
- AI is cheater
- his clan doesn't care about that

And in fact, that's what make me sad. There's always widespread disgust when some cheater/staller is revealed(especially if he is good, well-known player). But nothing follows. So if Fizzer doesn't care (i'm aware he can't do much with stallers though) and community doesn't care, how can we hope to get rid of them.

Kryscshyu check your mails!!

Have all top players games being thoroughly analyzed ? Is AI the only one to stall ? Or is he the only one to publicly admit it ? He did say he has a shot at a top rank, that means he is stalling on this occasion to record a high top rank ever, then he wont need it any more.

If stalling is cheating there must be a lot of other cheaters (I assume, considering the ranking system). For the second account, it would be cheating only if he loses a series of games after playing against his direct competitors. He s not doing that, he is trying to get top rank with both accounts.

No, he didn't reveal that we don't care however I could reveal another one of Hells alts which he used to game the real time ladder. Nobody kicked MoD out of his clan for using the Desy account parallel to his account, Ahol isn't throwing out Boston, Lynx didn't throw out dwogee, gg not Ctrl Alt Delete, WM not Gnuffone, 20 not Beelzebul, WG not Marc, Apex not Timinator,.... We are currently about to state our displeasement to AI however we certainly aren't kicking him. We didn't kick the guy calling me a Nazi and we didn't kick the guy wishing RBK to die in the gas chambers (after his first offense).

I didn't use desi to get an advantage on my main. I was like rank 15 with over 150 unexpired games (in 3 months back then) and i wanted more cause the games were too slow. I even surrendered to desi 2 out of 3 times. On 150 unexpired games there is no big advantage even if i win against my own account, but i didn't even do that. It was disadvantageous for me.

Long thing short: i played with 2 accounts on the ladder but the effect was entirely different

Have all top players games being thoroughly analyzed ? Is AI the only one to stall

Doesn't matter - you can't find all thieves in the world, yet you don't want to allow those who are caught to go unpunished.

For the second account, it would be cheating only if he loses a series of games after playing against his direct competitors. He s not doing that, he is trying to get top rank with both accounts.

Haha, right. Define "series" Three in a row is enough or it has to be five? What is "_direct_ competitors" - no more than 50 points difference in rating? 68? 10%? He fixed game between his accounts - only that is more than enough to even not consider qouted bullshit.

Nobody kicked MoD out of his clan for using the Desy account parallel to his account, Ahol isn't throwing out Boston, Lynx didn't throw out dwogee, gg not Ctrl Alt Delete, WM not Gnuffone, 20 not Beelzebul, WG not Marc, Apex not Timinator,....

That's the point. I don't know what most of them have done, neither will try to judge them, but i know there were more such obvious cases like this one, ending with nothing. What, as written in earlier post, makes me sad.

Not really sure how I feel about stalling, but this argument?

He did say he has a shot at a top rank, that means he is stalling on this occasion to record a high top rank ever, then he wont need it any more.

He did say he had a shot at a top class rank, that means he cheated on his final exams on this occasion to graduate with good grades, then he won't need it anymore.

@Mike it isn't about stalling, it's about him playing yourself. It gives him an inflated score (along with his stalling, he could have easily took first spot if he was a better player with these cheats. I really really don't see how you don't think that's a bad thing, it should have some punishment.

I agree with chu here, and also Norman. M hunters do not need to do anything, if they're all pretty friendly then especially. it just needs action from fizzer which will sadly never happen.

Edit: I don't agree with mods reason too when he used multi accounts at once, but that was too long ago before I played and paid attention to ladders.

Edited 5/20/2016 12:18:31

I agree with Buns on every point he makes. I particularly want to emphasise Mods excuse not being valid; nobody should think it's ok to do that now because he once got away with it some time ago. Whether it gives a 1% advantage or 100% advantage, it's against the rules; an insignificant advantage is still an advantage, and I hope we can all admit that much.

Norman, I only wanted M'Hunters to make it clear they accept AI has cheated and do not approve. Some of your clan members posts in this thread, namely Mike and RedBloodyKiller, suggest they're deluded into thinking otherwise. The clan should be warning AI not do this again or else then there would be more serious clan consequences such as possibly removing AI from the clan. I assume that that is what will happen as "[they] are currently about to state [their] displeasement to AI" and I think that would be fair.

As for who Hell is, it really makes no difference. Your actions are what's significant here. Do not let him goad you into his stupidity. The title of this thread summarises all he had to say which was of any real value, and you are now taking action that proves otherwise. I trust it's not disingenuous, and AI will be warned.

Thank you.

One last note, if you are correct in your assumption that Hell is this Forbidden Knowledge, a convicted cheater, then I can partially understand the need to speak up if another cheater is going seemingly unpunished. As I've said though his approach wasn't great, and you needn't trouble yourself with exposing him, but then again who am I to stop you?

Wow guys. All this is because of me?
Yes, I stalled a game. Only one game. And I admit it. I did because I wanted to see if I can win my following games and I wanted to see how high my rating could become. I could easily name ~ 10 players on the 1v1 ladder who stall a lot of their games. I agree with you that stalling is not a good thing. But I see that there's no way out of this situation for me, which I can understand.

I knew that it's not allowed to have 2 accounts on the ladder because vitriol/knyte told me. I asked him for the rules but he didn't know where to find the "rules of the ladder...". Also I know couple of players who do/did have 2 accounts on the ladder so I said myself that it is not a that bad thing.
Later, when the game against myself was created I thought "Shit. That's bad, but what's the point in playing myself?" and so I surrendered with the lower rated account because, as I already mentioned before, I wanted to see how high my rating could become.

To sum things up, I think that my behaviour was not good and I also think that I would deserve a susoension from WarLight or the 1v1 ladder. But I think that my clan has nothing to do with it. They are great and I love and respect my clan and I would definetely understand if they would kick me, but it's no good thing to tell my clan what to do.
The pressure on me is definetely big enough because I get hate everywhere I see. You can be sure that I won't do things like this again. I really don't think that you can ever forgive me for having an undeserved rank 5 on the ladder but I hope you can and I can start over in the community here.

Wow guys. All this is because of me?
Yes, I stalled a game. Only one game. And I admit it. I did because I wanted to see if I can win my following games and I wanted to see how high my rating could become. I could easily name ~ 10 players on the 1v1 ladder who stall a lot of their games. I agree with you that stalling is not a good thing. But I see that there's no way out of this situation for me, which I can understand.

I knew that it's not allowed to have 2 accounts on the ladder because vitriol/knyte told me. I asked him for the rules but he didn't know where to find the "rules of the ladder...". Also I know couple of players who do/did have 2 accounts on the ladder so I said myself that it is not a that bad thing.
Later, when the game against myself was created I thought "Shit. That's bad, but what's the point in playing myself?" and so I surrendered with the lower rated account because, as I already mentioned before, I wanted to see how high my rating could become.

To sum things up, I think that my behaviour was not good and I also think that I would deserve a susoension from WarLight or the 1v1 ladder. But I think that my clan has nothing to do with it. They are great and I love and respect my clan and I would definetely understand if they would kick me, but it's no good thing to tell my clan what to do.
The pressure on me is definetely big enough because I get hate everywhere I see. You can be sure that I won't do things like this again. I really don't think that you can ever forgive me for having an undeserved rank 5 on the ladder but I hope you can and I can start over in the community here.

I was trying to stay out of this since it wont go anywhere further now unless fizzer decides to start caring, but the first part is all bs.

You stalled 3-5 games for sure, from memory from the other thread there was awol, bunny (unsure about the name), another low rated guy and tyrion.

You played yourself (doesnt take a genius to work out that influences your rating by cheating, so you should have never of joined with two).

I get you have had pages of crap typed about your ladder run (probably too much), but it doesnt help you by lying about how many games you stalled, especially when thats not what most players were on about in this thread. Since stalling has been around forever, and while its bad there is no rule saying you can not unlike multiple accounts playing at once.

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Wow buns. I only stalled one game. Please look at my games before saying things like that. AWOL was the only game my loss was safe, there was a way out for me in the other games und against bunny was the only game I also took my time.
And I'm sorry for having multiple accounts on the ladder and I won't do it again.
But yeah I see... there's no way out for me here.

Stalling is annoying but not cheating. I am ignoring that part here and focusing on the actual rule violation. You cannot play two accounts on a ladder. That alone is cheating. Playing yourself only makes it even worse.

If Fizzer does not suspend you then he is being inconsistent and will encourage further alt cheating.

What he should do is put in an optional feature to allow people to play more than one slot in a game on the same team. Then just git rid of alts entirely. It would certainly hurt some people who use them for other things (and dont cheat) like being in two clans, but it would also get rid of lots of headaches

Edited 5/20/2016 14:53:14

@semice normally its because I've forgot a point I want to add in, but other times it is just my terrible English ;)

@AI Lets see shall we?

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11067510 - Awol
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11035835 - Bunny

These ones you purposelessly played past the point where it was obvious you lost, taking 2 days + a turn

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11145264 - Lino

This one after realising you lost on a turn took you 3 days to the hit surrender, which to be fair could just be you thinking it through and realising you're screwed.

Like I said, stalling wont get you any punishment and will be forgotten but why continue to lie?

Just to note, I wouldnt bother with this normally since stalling is just a common thing. But did previously since it added further bs to you using another account and that you lied about how many.

Like I said before, I want to stop bothering with this since nothing will happen about the multi account issue and that was the only thing I wanted to see a consequence for.

I don't lie about the stalled games buns, in my opinion I did just stall the one against AWOL ...

I got a warning and I had to write "I understand" in a little white box which means that I agree to not do things like this again.

Alright all is cool then.

Hopefully this thread now dies.

Now everyone knows how bad and low you are