Economics: Awful
Foreign Policy: Awful
Social Policy: Awful

Final rating: Thanks for ISIS, Obomber

I think the best president we have had since FDR, but I'm probably biased.
Since FDR(including him) I go:
1. FDR
2. Obama
3. LBJ(despite Vietnam)
4. JFK(despite the short term)
5. Truman(despite dropping the nukes)
6. Clinton
7. Eisenhower
8. Carter
9. Reagan
10. Nixon
11. Ford
12. Bush 41
13. Bush 43

LBJ is much better cus he passed lots of legislation

including the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT

how the hell do put obama on top of LBJ

lol

Nixon was one of my most liked American presidents, he is very underrated, just from one scand. Yeah, he wasn't unblemished, and all he did was out of pragmatism, but:

*He ended the Vietnam war!
*He ended the military draft!
*He opened diplomatic relations with the CFR.
*He founded the first governmental environmental regulations.
*SALT talks.

How the hell is he not the most popular president ever? Revisionism, and news at sensation, by militarists like Raegan and beyond.

And meantime, Truman is 4th on your list? The man who started the Vietnamese war, Korean war (not just the American intervention in it - he played a *very* big role in the background to it.), dropped the atomic bomb on Japan, suppressed socialism at it's peak in America and through fearmongering began the Cold War? Get outta here.

Edited 5/22/2016 03:08:43

^Thank you.

I think I like Reagan more than you do, but Nixon is unfairly dissed.

DDB and Smedley share my thought here pretty much, however, he'd be much better than the other picks.

And seriously, put a choice that he was an awful president in your poll, it's really biased.

Nixon did kinda invade Cambodia though

Oh, that's ugly, didn't know that, thanks.

And also, he was the mad hatter who began talks that started to disband anti-ballistic missilic shield systems in America and Russia, so that the "stopping factor" of the atomic bomb, that it would keep war from happening, even though this just makes the wars bloodier, historically.

Also FDR? The guy extended the Great Depression till 1945 for feck's sake. He also just extended what Hoover was doing anyways.

Let's see about those statements xbty
*He ended the Vietnam war!-he did after promising to end it on his first presidential election, and didn't do it until after his reelection, kind of extended it unnecessarily to "keep american face"
*He ended the military draft!-didn't, he did what was usually done during peace time, which is the end of the use of the draft for putting people in the military. 18 year olds in the US still have to register for the draft.
He opened diplomatic relations with the CFR.-valid point, but it could be argued that he was just taking advantage of the fact that the world was shifting to a non-bipolar world, and was just trying to get ahead in terms of allies in preparations for warfare as powers realized their diminished power, which generally leads to war in an attempt to gain enough resources to return glory.
*He founded the first governmental environmental regulations. -valid point, but they definitely could have been much better written, and given more power to the EPA.
*SALT talks.-yeah, he happened to be the first president during the time period in which the bipolar world began to become non-bipolar.

well, I done goofed, I placed Nixon incorrectly. He should be above reagan and carter.
Anyways, the scandal to me is a huge dock, and he also told the North vietnamese to not surrender as revealed by the LBJ tapes. https://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/08/fleshing-out-nixons-vietnam-treason/

As for truman, yeah he was an idiot in terms of foreign diplomacy, but something you should know, that is the category I least care about, as otherwise obviously LBJ would be further down, as well as JFK, and Obama. And in reverse, Reagan, Clinton, and Nixon would obviously move up the ranks, as well as probably Bush 41. His supression of socialism does get him docked, but pretty much every president while the Cold war was active did that, so if I used that as a heavily weighted criterion, it would like I have a massive recency bias.

Also, 5-7 basically can go in any order for me, I just organize them depending on how I feel.(truman, Clinton, Eisenhower)

Edited 5/22/2016 03:33:19

Foreign policy will always be the most important factor in determining a leader of a government. A good leader won't start wars or bomb folk. A bad one, will not just do that, but have policies that lead up to that happening.

Actually, a common misconception was that Cambodia was a separate invasion and war. Nixon ordered troops to only terminate the supply line being used by the NVG. Troops pulled out before very long after destroying it. After that, no major incursions into south Vietnam happened until the U.S. withdrawal. Cambodia is considered the last major successful operation of the American involvement in Vietnam

@MSGB Extended the great depression to 1945?, you clearly can't read graphs. The US recession ended in 39 as mobilizing of foreign forces created a demand for US arm goods, bolstering the economy as we sent arms to Britain and France initially.

Also, for people arguing he did just what Hoover did, Hoover didn't create social security, medicare, or nationalize industries, implement a minimum wage, or was willing to run a deficit to employ people to literally just build stuff(CCC and other organizations). Please get eyes. Hoover literally did minor spending increases,but no increase in the deficit, and did create gov't jobs, but not clearly enough, which would be obvious to anyone with the economic data, which he had.

Also, FDR can be argued for having extended the recession in 1937-38, when he tried to balance the budget, and there was a dip in economic output, which tells me, he probably should have continued with the same policies, which he did revert to after the economy faltered.

Also, Nixions carpet bombing of the north Is what forced them to sign the accords. I personally would not have done that particularly, but it worked

I gotta agree with japan, there was no " Great Depression " of 1945. Maybe the market tanked once or twice because the demand of raw materials drastically went down, but that's nothing compared to 1929.


FDR in my opinion, exercised probably one of the few examples where progressive economics worked in America. People seem to think that only Democrat or Republican economic policies work. Truth is, both raising taxes and lowering taxes work if done properly. The difference is which solution least affects the middle class in the least negative way. That's why both Reagenomics and Progressivism claim that there ideas work, because they both did.



Presidential success can't be measured on one scale.


DOSMETIC AND ECONOMICALLY SUCCESSFUL:

1: FDR
2: Reagan
3: T.R.
4: Clinton
5: Nixion
6: Coolidge
7: LBJ
8: Taft
9: Truman
Worst: Carter


FOREIGN POLICY SUCCESS

1: Theodore Roosevelt
2: Kennedy
3: Abraham Lincoln
4: Truman
5: Reagan
6: Eisenhower
7: FDR
8: Wilson
9: Bush Sr.
Worst: Carter

he did after promising to end it on his first presidential election, and didn't do it until after his reelection, kind of extended it unnecessarily to "keep american face"

Doesn't matter much the details, he still gets +1k points more than Truman - he ended a war, not began one.

didn't, he did what was usually done during peace time, which is the end of the use of the draft for putting people in the military. 18 year olds in the US still have to register for the draft.

Actually, America was still involved in Vietnam even after he ended his presidency, but something like 95% troops were pulled out, and the rest were pulled out the year after the next president took office. Also, the draft system was put back into site by his afterunners in 1981.

-valid point, but it could be argued that he was just taking advantage

As I said before, yeah, his motivations were all really pragmatic, but he still did these great things that are just totally ignored.

-valid point, but they definitely could have been much better written, and given more power to the EPA.

Still beats all those before him - since they did nothing of such.

yeah, he happened to be the first president during the time period in which the bipolar world began to become non-bipolar.

No, it's not just being in the right time in the right site. Lyndon Johnson, his forerunner wanted nothing at all of the kind, and was very antagonist.

"We don't propose to sit here in our rocking chair with our hands folded and let the Communists set up any government in the Western Hemisphere. "

Then Nixon (to Khrushchöv): "Isn't it better to talk about the relative merits of washing machines than the relative strength of rockets? Isn't this the kind of competition you want? " (and this was way back in 1959, he also proposed disarment mutual, but was shot down there.).

Anyways, the scandal to me is a huge dock

It is not bigger than saving lives. End.

His supression of socialism does get him docked, but pretty much every president while the Cold war was active did that

He set the tradition.

Edited 5/22/2016 04:28:56

http://www.cato.org/policy-report/mayjune-2010/stimulus-spending-cuts-lessons-1946

http://www.cato.org/publications/briefing-paper/herbert-hoover-father-new-deal

Politicians and pundits portray Herbert Hoover as a defender of laissez faire governance whose dogmatic commitment to small government led him to stand by and do nothing while the economy collapsed in the wake of the stock market crash in 1929. In fact, Hoover had long been a critic of laissez faire. As president, he doubled federal spending in real terms in four years. He also used government to prop up wages, restricted immigration, signed the Smoot-Hawley tariff, raised taxes, and created the Reconstruction Finance Corporation—all interventionist measures and not laissez faire. Unlike many Democrats today, President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s advisers knew that Hoover had started the New Deal. One of them wrote, “When we all burst into Washington … we found every essential idea [of the New Deal] enacted in the 100-day Congress in the Hoover administration itself.”[/quote]

FOREIGN POLICY SUCCESS

1: Theodore Roosevelt

Oh, boy. You started this, not me.

FOREIGN POLICY SUCCESS

1: Theodore Roosevelt
2: Kennedy
3: Abraham Lincoln
4: Truman
5: Reagan
6: Eisenhower
7: FDR
8: Wilson
9: Bush Sr.
Worst: Carter

Nixon needs to be on there, and Truman needs to be rotting in Hell.

1: GEORGE CHRIST WASHINGTON (how the hell does he not beat out all the others???)

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