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Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 02:46:40


NinjaNic 
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The new single player levels (which are great) brought something to my attention. Whilst playing Level 5, "Hard to get," I noticed something oddly familiar.




RA's map:
https://www.warlight.net/Play?PreviewMap=51634

My map:
https://www.warlight.net/Play?PreviewMap=40066

It is practically a copy (and rotated) and I received no credit for this. I honestly don't know if I should feel good or angry, but either way, I still want to be given some credit.
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 02:47:51

HomeLess
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this is funny af
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 02:48:09


GeneralPE
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That does seem very crooked

Edited 5/24/2016 02:48:18
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 02:49:17


Жұқтыру
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Wouldn't be the first time.
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 02:52:31


NinjaNic 
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this is funny af

No, it's not. Well, maybe a little.

That does seem very crooked

I'm not sure if you mean that by dishonest or the map literally being crooked, or both?

Wouldn't be the first time.

Has he done this before?
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 02:53:37


GeneralPE
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I'm not sure if you mean that by dishonest or the map literally being crooked, or both?

didn't even catch the pun that was unintended xD
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 03:00:46


Жұқтыру
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Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 03:01:36


Benjamin628 
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Was that map not made before yours?
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 03:06:43


NinjaNic 
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Yes, but a different version. He must have re-uploaded it. On the preview pages, check the map's ID's and their upload dates. (Those are for that current map version.) If we could find earlier versions of his map we would know for sure.
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 03:09:46


NinjaNic 
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https://www.warlight.net/Forum/100790-ra-stolen-strategic-europe-map-europe-30


Sorry for the double post. And thanks for the link. It's all right to take inspiration from other maps, obviously, but to downright copy without permission is not all right.
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 03:11:37


GeneralPE
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Hmmmm...from that other thread, RA is a bastard. I highly encourage anyone considering using his map not to do so. Rate is 1/5 stars, too.
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 03:17:56


ChrisCMU 
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Yeah he stole fridges europe map. Then when people tanked the rating on it fizzer removed the votes.
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 03:30:22


Empire of Kilos
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Hmmmm...from that other thread, RA is a bastard. I highly encourage anyone considering using his map not to do so. Rate is 1/5 stars, too.



But don't you have to play the map to vote? So do I not play or play it to leave a bad review?

Edited 5/24/2016 03:30:53
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 03:37:16


GeneralPE
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Single player
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 03:38:58


NinjaNic 
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Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 03:50:35


master of desaster 
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Sad. Back to his roots. And i liked atlantis :(

Edited 5/24/2016 03:52:26
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 12:47:48


Urfang
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Definetly Ra's map based on yours but its not the same just similar. It seems he took your island shape and redraw another smaller map from it. Maybe a "thanks to NinjaNic for inspiration" sign missing but I think its not a theft cause its a new map.

Your map was good enough to stimulate Ra to make a similar one this is eventually an appreciation.

Edited 5/24/2016 12:57:04
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 13:23:48


Sephiroth
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Yeah he stole fridges europe map. Then when people tanked the rating on it fizzer removed the votes.
Is this true? Not that I would expect anything smarter
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 14:11:07


ChrisCMU 
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Yes, a bunch of people used alts to vote down the map a bunch and he got rid of all the votes.

I don't understand why, since that is not "gaining an advantage" like playing two accounts on a ladder. RA deserved the bad ratings on the map.

Saying they are similar here is crap. He copied it for sure, and since he got away with it before, why should he care?
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 20:52:47


Ranek
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He obviously used your map as template for a new map, which is odd, because it is very simple, fictional design. He could have easily made an entirely new map. But I wouldnt be too upset about it. It could also be a sign of appreciation towards your maps.
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 21:28:46


ps 
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i don't really see the problem, it's a bit similar but not total copy. he clearly thought he would be able to improve over yours. why do people get so scandalized when someone uses their work as base for something else? everyone does that on one way or the other, everything is a remix.

a little credit would have been nice though, would make him look like less of a hack.
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 22:48:14


NinjaNic 
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But I wouldnt be too upset about it. It could also be a sign of appreciation towards your maps.


Yeah, that's what I'm trying to think.

i don't really see the problem, it's a bit similar but not total copy.


He still did trace my map without permission. I'm glad though, that it is not copied "territory-for-territory," if you will. It looks like there's not much I can do at this point anyway, he was last seen over a month ago.
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 23:17:32


Sułtan Kosmitów 
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"Copying from one person is called plagiarism, from two - compilation, from three and more - thesis."

I see the similarity between your maps, I am not excluding it was an ispiration for his map but I wouldn't call it plagiarism in this case.
But in my opinion he should have at least asked you for permission. Out of curiosity: would you agree to share the map?

I've also got a some kind of throwaway thought, not connected with your case: Why do people publish their work if they don't want it to be used by others.
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 23:34:01


Dogberry
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Having your worked used by others and having credit taken for your work by others are hardly the same thing. In a thesis, I am still guilty of plagiarism if I do not cite any of my sources.
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 23:40:10


Sułtan Kosmitów 
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The quote on the top was a joke ofcourse. :p

If want to benifit from your work, you don't publish it for everyone :)
And I am sure NinjaNic makes his map gratuitously for WL community.
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/24/2016 23:42:47


NinjaNic 
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But in my opinion he should have at least asked you for permission. Out of curiosity: would you agree to share the map?


Probably, if he asked. I mean, I'm not really angry. (Before reading Europe 3.0's thread.) I just want to be known for the work I've done. I guess it's not too big of a deal, since his map (or mine) isn't really that popular anyway.
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/25/2016 00:08:59


Dogberry
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In the world of western academia, if you don't publish, you won't get tenure, effectively making you unpromotable. Professors publish for personal benefit, sure, but one of the goals of their work is to lay the foundation for future works. In effect, they are publishing for the benefit of the community. Those who build upon their research without giving credit where credit is due are dishonest plagiarists.

Or if you prefer, maybe we should reference copyright law, such as the recent decision against Pharrell and Robin Thicke that determined that they plagiarized Marvin Gaye's song Got To Give It Up when they created Blurred Lines. If the similarities are more than passing coincidence, if they are consistent and systematic, then plagiarism occurred.

Edited 5/25/2016 00:09:37
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/25/2016 05:07:12


Norman 
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Copying from one person is called plagiarism, from two - compilation, from three and more - thesis.

I see two completely different maps, even in a "scientific context" I would see no need to quote Ninja Nic for his map. All Europe maps look kinda the same and this is because they are based on the Europe shape. There are probably also some pictures of Atlantis out there.
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/25/2016 07:23:52


Timinator 
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Using Europe as comparison is bad though, as this map is completely fictional and self-drawn from Nic? unless i'm wrong and he used a reference i didn't manage to find within 2 min of google.
Why, just why. (Plagiarism?): 5/25/2016 07:47:33


Kain
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I think that the main problem of RA is that he is not smart enough to create a map that has strategic/tactic valors. His maps are good looking, but nothing special when it comes to gameplay. He is a decent painter but not an architect.

That is why he needs to STEAL designs from other players...

Edited 5/25/2016 08:04:12
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