@Bla
Iron law of wages you uneducated knob

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Dear god PE, stop taking offense to a humour thread. I don't see you trying to rebut jokes that don't go against your beliefs, lol.

Clinton 2020: HAIL HYDRA

Muslims (as conserves see them) are the ideal Europeans, and must be brought into Europe to restore its values:

*Want to curb individual freedoms.
*Against abortion.
*Love Jesus.
*Faithful (as opposed to the evil atheists).
*Warmongering and violent.
*Against "the socialism".
*Have awesome beards that Europeans became too cowardly to wear in about the 1900s (see https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Kaiser_Wilhelm_I._.JPG).

#BringTheBeardsBack (I have a big Muslim beard, myself)

Edited 6/4/2016 23:11:33

*Faithful (as opposed to the evil atheists).

Only 7% of EU citizens are atheists, which is actually below the world percentage of 10-16% (Sources disagree).

Needs less.

Also, 7% are atheist in the sense they firmly deny there is a God, while 16% are just agnostic (won't assume anything), also, the Christians are pretty lax. Most don't go to church weekly.

Edited 6/4/2016 23:27:28

That's not what we're talking about here though, the term you used was "Atheist".

Atheist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism):

Atheism is, in the broadest sense, the absence of belief in the existence of deities. Less broadly, atheism is the rejection of belief that any deities exist. In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.

Some ambiguity over the word. Compare agnostic:

Agnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims – especially metaphysical and religious claims such as whether God, the divine, or the supernatural exist – are unknown and perhaps unknowable.

Pretty alike.

Not really, it's just that the limitations of our language require that we use similar vocabulary to describe related positions (The relation is that they both reject theism, that's pretty much it).

The distinction is in the perception of the truth value of the existence of God, which I believe was mentioned in the wikipedia definition. Atheists believe that the idea of God has no truth value, and therefore reject it, whereas Agnostics believe that the idea of God does have a truth value, they simply choose to not hold a belief in God for one reason or another.

The relation is that they both reject theism, that's pretty much it.

That's a pretty big relation, and agnosticism is really just atheism in the broadest sense. It just depends on what meaning your source wielded. But I think 20% of the EU polled that "they don't believe in any god, spirit, or life force".

Furthermore, by atheism, what I meant to say was "irreligion".

It's not really practical to argue relation based on common rejection of a third idea. Like, are all Christians, Muslims, atheists, and agnostics related groups because they all reject witchcraft?

But I think 20% of the EU polled that "they don't believe in any god, spirit, or life force".

That sounds about right, given that the number of atheists and agnostics is 23%.

Also, if you mean irreligion, say irreligion. "Atheism" is a very narrow term that only encompasses a small demographic group in most places, such as in america where only 3% of people are atheists.

X you have just won goy of the yr.

Sounds like a great award. How do you get nominated?

Also, if you mean irreligion, say irreligion. "Atheism" is a very narrow term that only encompasses a small demographic group in most places, such as in america where only 3% of people are atheists.

Atheism is not always a very narrow word, 125ch, if you've met him, he says himself as an atheist, and wields the broad sense of the word, though - he doesn't deny the being of Gods, he just doesn't believe in them.

It's really the same thing. If he believes that the idea of God has truth value but doesn't believe, he's an agnostic, and if he believes the idea does not have truth value and also doesn't believe, he's an atheist.

And I'm saying technically here btw. Sure he can self identify as an atheist, it's just that those are the definitions of the words, regardless of his self identification.

How many politicians does it take to change a lightbulb?

2. One to change it, and one to change it back.

If he believes that the idea of God has truth value but doesn't believe, he's an agnostic

You seem to be ignoring the broad meanings totally.

Atheism is, in the broadest sense, the absence of belief in the existence of deities.

No, I'm not ignoring it. In fact, I specifically addressed it. Here it is again, a bit simplified:

If you lack a belief in God, you are either an agnostic or an atheist, and which you are is determined by what truth value you think the idea of God has.

What is "truth value", then? Atheists in the broadest sense and agnostists don't deny that there is a God.

Fox News:
Reagan is God.

What is "truth value", then? Atheists in the broadest sense and agnostists don't deny that there is a God.

If you want you can research this to verify that "truth value" is the right term here (I'm not completely sure). However, My understanding is that if you say something has a truth value, you are saying that there is a possibility that it is true. Thus:

If you are an agnostic, you lack a belief in God, but you believe that God could exist. You don't lack a belief in God due to believing that he doesn't exist, but rather you don't believe in God for some other reason, such as an unwillingness to accept fideism (literally "faithism", which is the idea that belief in God can be justified by faith).

On the other hand, Atheists lack a belief in God with the motivation that they don't believe that God exists. Like agnostics, they lack a belief in God, but it is not backed up by something like lack of evidence, such as agnostics. It is only backed up by the belief that God does not exist.

Atheism meaning "a lack of belief in God" is not contradictory with believing that there is no God, and it doesn't mean that they are not denying the existence of God. If you do not deny the existence of God, you are an agnostic, not an atheist. Atheism specifically encompasses a group of people who are characterized by their denial of Gods existence.

Edited 6/5/2016 01:59:29