I feel sorry for colorblind people playing this map. 40 player games would be a nightmare on no fog

+1 Juq, mostly, but I think you overrated Mexico, Spain & Philippines and underrated Iran, Turkey and Israel.

Consider gdp and poltical influence and I would put USA on number 1. China still hasn't beaten the USA yet. Maybe in the future but not for this year.

Secondly the bonus links were the issue why this map didn't got published. That's why I'm working to remove them all and replace them by a better and a more efficient system. http://m.imgur.com/a/AqnDK as I revealed in an earlier thread.

One thing that bothers me is on the map you say developped by Belgian when it should be spelled developed

Oh haha how did I never noticed that? Thanks for telling.

Consider gdp and poltical influence and I would put USA on number 1.

I did think about money (roughly the same). And politic influence (SCO/EAU > NATO/EU ; China is number 1 exporter). And in all other meausrings, China beats America by quite a bit - 3x the population, more patriotism, more industry, so on.

Roughly? Hm...

Gdp says otherwise

According to CIA world factbook 2015
USA: 17,970,000
China: 11,380,000

"Roughly"

Political influence because USA puts huge pressure on foreign countries outside their territories. This includes also diplomatic pressure. South America,Pacific,Carribean, Western Europe. All are influenced by USA politics or diplomacy. China has this less.

The CIA is not a believable source. They're a government intelligence agency, they'll do anything for patriotism.

IMF (many NATO agencies at first launched a great campaign to say that this info was wrong, but they were wrong, in 2015 when China's economy overtook America).
China 19 392 357
America: 17 947 000

World Bank (not too believable, but better than the CIA):
China 18 017
America 17 419

PPP is more accurate.

from CIA factbook, because you seem to like that source:
China 19,510
United States 17,970

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29

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CIA Factbook is an actual trustworthy source.

Also I was talking about the nominal gdp. Don't let that confuse you.
since you like IMF more:

USA: 17,947,000
China: 10,982,829

Compare that with the CIA factbook of the same year:

USA: 17,970,000
China: 11,380,000

he CIA is not a believable source. They're a government intelligence agency, they'll do anything for patriotism

Well shit...

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Both Nominal and PPP GDP are pretty irrelevant when comparing the US and china. As Juq has pointed out, china has over three times as many people as america.

The Relevant statistic is GDP per capita, in which the US is around 7x as rich as China, with $56K compared to around $8K.

That's another factor sure

Per capita is useless. A rich populace actually is worse at fighting wars and has to rely on mercenaries (see Qatar as an example).

Industries usable in wartime is what we are searching (heavy industry, IT, Chemistry, etc). The great mass of US secretary workers is totally useless for a war effort compared to the workers in Chinas insanely huge steel industry. But they earn a lot of money, well great....

Edited 6/4/2016 21:34:56

Technological advancement

Yeah, except the US is really the exception here since we spend more on our military than the next fourteen countries combined. There is no "reliance on mercenaries" going on here.

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@ Belgian Where we do not have any data (military is classified for obvious reasons). :(

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Global Presence Index is the best index I could find. It measures how powerfull a nation is.

The Relevant statistic is GDP per capita, in which the US is around 7x as rich as China, with $56K compared to around $8K.

I don't see how this would be relevant at all. Measuring GHP each head just shows how well-off the country is - is it a good country to live in? Which doesn't affect much the powers of the country.

Where we do not have any data (military is classified for obvious reasons). :(

Yeah, many folk think information (I mean, seriously, using the CIA as a source?) is much more open and frank than it really is. Know from who you get knowledge from.

Global Presence Index is the best index I could find.

Yeah, I think you showed us one time, and we all agreed it was pretty bad...I mean, Canada is more powerful than India? Get real.

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Nothing bad here. GBI is based on globalisation (meaning global presence) and economy. It would be a good indicator for political influence around the world.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

Compare IMF data (since you like that more) with the CIA factbook data. See who's more patriotic now.

Yeah, many folk think information (I mean, seriously, using the CIA as a source?) is much more open and frank than it really is. Know from who you get knowledge from.

So just because a gouverment makes such lists the lists lose all their credibility?