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Clan League 8 Division E Official Thread: 7/16/2016 19:34:38


Benoît
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Hello all,

Guiroma tournament 1v1 is finished in Division E
Link: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=19325


1.Vincent (7th) 6-0
2.Veloces (NWO) 5-1
3.biggreen (ACME) 4-2
4.Materij (Viks) 3-3
5.Scearhead (rp) 2-4
6.Ramteid (PG) 1-5
7.Pugnator (AOE) 0-6

Congrats to Vincent (7th) for winning that tournament! Props to Veloces and biggreen for 2nd and 3rd places respectively


Treasure map tournament is finished also in Division E
Link: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=19341


1.Cloud Strife (7th) 5-1
2.Firenze (NWO) 4-2 NinjaNic (ACME) 4-2 and also Malteus (rp) 4-2
5.Skal (Viks) 3-3
6.Naram-sin (PG) 1-5
7.General PE (AOE) 0-6

Congrats to Cloud Strife (7th) for winning that tournament! Props to Firenze, NinjaNic and Malteus for their good win ratio.
Clan League 8 Division E Official Thread: 7/16/2016 20:27:52

snife 
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yay not too bad {rp}.
thx for the update!
Clan League 8 Division E Official Thread: 7/16/2016 20:37:18


Benoît
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yea rp are doing better than I first thought :P, in particuliar in 3v3 for now!

At the start of CL8, I only knew for sure 7th, ACME and NWO had good line-ups but the rest of my previsions were based on not too much knowledge. I kind of expected the diplo clans (AOE and rp) to not do much good (considering they are role playing clans) but I guess I was wrong about rp :P.

Edited 7/16/2016 20:41:54
Clan League 8 Division E Official Thread: 7/16/2016 20:39:43

snife 
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yes... we need a teamgame tourney... but there is always focus on this crappy singleplayer games
Clan League 8 Division E Official Thread: 7/16/2016 22:29:30


Benoît
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Yea 1v1 games are regarded by a lot of people as the standard type of game to determine the level of skills of a player on strategical gaming. In a sense, it is true that it is the best indicator of the level of skills of a player if we consider only the analytical skills of that player and his/her instincts (being able to predict your opponent based on gut rather than pure logic).

In team games though, you must not only possess analytical skills and instincts but you also need other aspects in order to have success. Theses aspects all turn around social skills: communication, respect of others, being able to cooperate, etc. It isn't all good 1v1 players that will necessarly do good in team games but for sure if you lack 1v1 skills, your ability to play in team games will be compromised. There will often have someone in the team who will lead if a guy is clearly better than the others on a specific template (puppeting) or if there is a lack of time (like in RT games). That being said, I think the best teamgames are amongst guys that are about the same level of skills because there is more cooperation. Cooperation isn't always easy in the sense that you will sometimes have to take the lead, other times more be "passive" and listen to your teammates suggestions, etc.

I personally prefer teamgames but only with guys that are know are reliable :P. Otherwise, teamgames can be a pain in the a$$.

Edited 7/16/2016 22:31:55
Clan League 8 Division E Official Thread: 7/17/2016 01:12:42

Cid Highwind
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I hate playing single player. It's boring. While yes, I see how the skills at being good at single player translate into success in team games, single player is very limited to me. In a team game, you not only have to be good at playing your game, but also realize how your moves fit in with the overall "strategy" for the team for that turn. I've seen some teams composed of all really good players individually who just couldn't work with one another and caused the game to be lost because of the team strategy being at cross purposes.

From what I've noticed, a successful WL team usually has someone that steps up and controls things, and the other people on the team have to submit their individual egos to this person, as well as gives and receives constructive criticism at appropriate times. Then again, I came to WL from being a raid leader in Everquest and earlier in Dark Age of Camelot for a little while, where that became second nature to me given the size and scope of raiding in an MMO format, where there's usually multiple objectives to accomplish.
Clan League 8 Division E Official Thread: 7/17/2016 01:12:42

Cid Highwind
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I hate playing single player. It's boring. While yes, I see how the skills at being good at single player translate into success in team games, single player is very limited to me. In a team game, you not only have to be good at playing your game, but also realize how your moves fit in with the overall "strategy" for the team for that turn. I've seen some teams composed of all really good players individually who just couldn't work with one another and caused the game to be lost because of the team strategy being at cross purposes.

From what I've noticed, a successful WL team usually has someone that steps up and controls things, and the other people on the team have to submit their individual egos to this person, as well as gives and receives constructive criticism at appropriate times. Then again, I came to WL from being a raid leader in Everquest and earlier in Dark Age of Camelot for a little while, where that became second nature to me given the size and scope of raiding in an MMO format, where there's usually multiple objectives to accomplish.
Clan League 8 Division E Official Thread: 7/17/2016 19:45:40


Benoît
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Yea I agree with Cid, a guy usually have to step-up and take charge in team games, otherwise people can debate forever :P.
Clan League 8 Division E Official Thread: 7/19/2016 15:51:39


Benoît
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Hello,

Strat ME tournament 1v1 is finished in Division E
Link: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=19321


1.ACL Tears (ACME) 6-0
2.Veloces (NWO) 4-2
3.Zack Flair (7th Heaven) 4-2
4.Skal (Viks) 3-3
5.Snife (rp) 2-4 and Lux (PG) 2-4
7.Sun Luna (AOE) 0-6

Congrats to ACL Tears (ACME) for winning that tournament! Props to Veloces and Zack Flair for their 2nd and 3rd places (Veloces have the tie breaker over Zack for his victory over him).

Edited 7/19/2016 15:52:07
Clan League 8 Division E Official Thread: 7/20/2016 17:16:54


Ranek
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Greece 1vs1 Division E is finished.
Link: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=19329
Clan League 8 Division E Official Thread: 7/21/2016 18:30:23

snife 
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If there are many players who also prefer teamgames we could change the number/type of created tournaments.

We could have each clan vote 1 time for one of two systems.

My first idea:
a) leave it as it is now
b) reduce 1vs1 by 2 tournaments. add 1 2vs2 and 1 3vs3 tournament

I think it would be best to keep this voting simple. We do not have to discuss this for weeks. Maybe there is a majority for keeping the system as it is and we do not have to change anything.
Clan League 8 Division E Official Thread: 7/21/2016 19:01:41


Veloces
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Problem with that is there are way more 1v1 templates than there are team templates so for the long term it would make the options more scarce.
Clan League 8 Division E Official Thread: 7/21/2016 20:00:03


Benoît
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Hello,

Like Ranek said, Greece tournament 1v1 is finished in Division E
Link: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=19329


1.Alexander (7th) 6-0
2.Ranek (rp) 5-1
3.Naglfar (PG) 4-2
4.Mirage (NWO) 3-3
5.CJ (ACME) 2-4
6.Big Fish (Viks) 1-5
7.Sun Luna (AOE) 0-6

Congrats to Alexander (7th) for winning that tournament! Very good and surprising performances by Ranek (rp) and Naglfar (PG) compared to the other 1v1 tournaments of this Clan League Division. Well done guys!

Edited 7/21/2016 20:03:04
Clan League 8 Division E Official Thread: 7/21/2016 20:33:56


Ranek
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thanks, but not so much surprising after two boot wins ..

how about a FFA game?^^

Edited 7/21/2016 20:34:51
Clan League 8 Division E Official Thread: 7/21/2016 21:22:27


Benoît
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FFA team game between all Division E clans?
Clan League 8 Division E Official Thread: 7/21/2016 21:53:25

Cid Highwind
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7th will have some team games up and running as CL winds down a bit, but for now, we're waiting on a couple more tournaments to finish up first.

It'd be really nice if there were more team leagues. I have zero interest in any leagues that force people to play 1v1. As far as I know, there's no league currently that meets that criteria, unless someone can direct me to one?
Clan League 8 Division E Official Thread: 7/23/2016 02:23:51


Ranek
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one player from each team in a single game - FFA
Clan League 8 Division E Official Thread: 7/23/2016 02:58:56


Benoît
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@Cid yes indeed, maybe we could make a new TEAM GAMES LEAGUE or something because I think there could be a place for such a league in Warlight. :)

@Ranek wouldn't be more cool to have clan vs clan vs clan vs ...?
Clan League 8 Division E Official Thread: 7/24/2016 12:06:43


Ranek
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isnt it what i just wrote?^^
Clan League 8 Division E Official Thread: 7/25/2016 20:26:59

Cid Highwind
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Sorry about my vacation, I'm back now.

No, FFA games are NOT team games. FFA is a group of individuals playing against each other with no diplo type rules, so every person is out for themselves.

Team games are where there are 2 or more players per team (preferably to me something crazier, like 10v10 :)). It's even more fun when there's an uneven number of players on each team, might give some of the weaker clans a bit more of a handicap and chance to win...
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