And what is the point in resolving ties?

We gotta know who is dabest

Well I'm cool. Now that that's settled, I only have a 500 word speech on accepting the win on EU.

Jokes aside, very cool 3v3 results guys, VIW, Sninja and 101st did a great job here. Watched a few games, gj y'all, it's probably impossible to choose who's the best EU team of division B.

Since there has been a great deal of speculation regarding which clan will be allowed to participate in the 101st team's spot in Clan League, the clan league council has decided to give their final ruling.

While we recognize that both Outlaws and 101st have arguments as to why they deserve the spot, we ultimately decided that Outlaws is more deserving. We'll detail our decision process, and though we understand that 101st is unlikely to be happy with the decision, we hope they will be able to understand why we came to this decision.

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History

Firstly, we have had a few situations in the past in Clan League where there were similar clan splits. The first situation was with CPU disbanding, with most members either going to BIA or XCD. In that case, since the majority of members went to BIA, BIA were awarded CPU's spot. XCD joined the league and started from the bottom and CPU didn't compete.

The second was following the creation of Lynx as a separate entity from 101st, which happened before CL5. In that case from the CL4 lineup all members of 101st moved to Lynx; from the CL3 lineup 4 members moved to Lynx, 2 stayed in 101st, and 3 went to neither; from the CL2 lineup 1 moved to Lynx, 6 stayed in 101st, and 2 had retired. 101st kept its spot and promoted to A, while Lynx started from the bottom. 101st proceeded to come last in CL5 scoring only 36 points with a 17% win rate.

The third case was before CL8 when most of XS left to create ONE. In this case 1 member of the CL7 lineup remained in XS, while the remainder went to ONE. Two members of the CL6 lineup remained in XS one of whom had gone inactive before the split. Likewise two members of the CL4 lineup remained in XS, while four went to ONE. ONE was given the spot in B, while XS didn't compete at all.

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Current Situation

Of 101st's originally submitted lineup for CL8 which promoted from B to A, one member (Jinxed: 2 slots) is still in 101st, one (Panagiotis: 1 slot) is in MASTERS, one (Benoit: 1 slot) is in VS, one (Marceline: 1 slot) is inactive/clanless, and five (Platinum, Tac(ky)tical, MarkusBM, TeamGuns, Bonsai: 13 slots) are in Outlaws. The one member still in 101st (Jinxed) is inactive. There were regrettably replacement games, however it was made clear at the time that the choice for the replacements would have no bearing on which clan would get the spot.

In any case, we decided to let the new 101st leaders and the Outlaws leaders come to a mutual agreement as to who would play the replacement games with the hope that they would be able to resolve this issue amicably between themselves. There was disagreement as to who would play the replacement games, but ultimately faced with the prospect of forfeiting the right to the games, they settled on Kantos (in 101st, but started the season in the Lynx), and Bonsai (in Outlaws). Later Marceline was replaced with Edge (in Outlaws).

Of the CL7 lineup which promoted from C to B, two (roque_nacho, siwy: 4 slots) are clanless, two (Grickface, Sarge: 4 slots) are in 101st, three (Andre1994, TheRiverStyxie, Platinum: 7 slots) are in Outlaws, and one is in Lynx (ZeroBlindDragon: 3 slots).

Of the CL6 lineup which relegated from B to C, two (roque_nacho, sven65: 7 slots) are clanless, two (Sarge, Sargon de Fair: 8 slots) are in 101st, and one was MasterMind Apollo's alt which had remained in 101st after the 101st/Lynx split.

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Conclusions

Ultimately all three of the historical situations were slightly different in more or less important ways, and none of them is identical to the current situations. While the panel believes it's important to maintain continuity with the league's past, ultimately we want to make the right decision. Not all past decisions were perfect, and it's important to use precedent to enable the us to arrive at the correct decision rather than be forced to make bad choices.

That being said, the most recent precedent is the situation of XS/ONE where we reversed the ruling with Lynx/101st which most people decided later to have been a mistake. In this case it is slightly less dramatic than the XS/ONE case where only 2 active players who had ever played for XS remained in the clan. However, in CL8 13 slots were filled by active Outlaws members, while 0 were filled by active 101st members. While Jinxed is still technically in the 101st clan, he was last seen 94 days ago. The CL7 lineup is a little more balanced, but Outlaws had more slots and players than 101st in that league as well - 3 and 6 as opposed to 2 and 4. In CL6 101 had about half of the slots and Outlaws had none, but that team was relegated from B to C, so it's tough to say that that lineup "earned" 101st's spot in A.

In the end when you consider that 13/18 of the slots in CL8 are filled by Outlaws members compared to 0/18 by active 101st members, and a plurality of the slots in CL7 were also filled by Outlaws member it seems clear that Outlaws is more deserving of the spot in Division A.

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Hijacking Concerns

We are sensitive to fear of the hijacking of a clan league team, and we do want to institute a policy which will safeguard against it. We have some ideas in mind and are finalising the details so that we can strike a balance between rewarding players for their accomplishments in the tournament, while ensuring that clans don't lose spots that they deserve to keep.

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i was drunk ok

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Thank you Onoma. Actually TheRiverStyxie played in that tournament. I've edited the post to reflect that.

Well, thanks for the update on that matter Beren.

I am happy with the decision, and I do believe it is fair and just. I do realize it is not very encouraging for 101st players, but we played this season to promote to A, and it'd be a shame to get promoted and just lose the chance to play with the best. I feel sad for you guys, as it could have been a reverse decision and I'd be in your spot now.

My time in 101st was great, and I think I speak for all that we were proud to play under 101st banner for this season. It is sad that we had to leave the clan, but it was the only solution at the time, I hope you guys keep rebuilding the clan and succeed at it!

Edited 10/16/2016 01:59:15

We're very excited for the new challenge ahead and hope to provide a high level of competition in division A next season.

Unfortunately it has been a very complicated situation and we would just like to extend a huge thanks to the clan league panel for the thorough discussion and detailed reasons for the decision. We know it can't have been an easy one.

We wish 101st all the best in their division next season and hope they also do well.

Thanks again and see you in the clan league guys wooooo!

Thank you CL panel for you decision!

Seeing from berens post your decision is well justified. I am very happy with the decision but I must also send condolences to 101st I know it must be tough for you guys :(

However if I may speak for outlaws, we are very grateful for your decision :)

cheers,
Apollo

Edited 10/16/2016 02:11:39

ok... where to begin?

First of all, I should point out that this is a laughably absurd decision with no precedent at all. The decision makers who have decided on this have made several key errors. The errors being so egregious that it's really not unfair to assume they are being less than above board with their dealings on this decision. I will get to that information and why collusion with members of Outlaw clan is fairly obvious later. Let's start with some of the absurdity of detail that they feel they can hide behind.

First of all, the stated numbers are wrong. There are 4 (count them, 4) members of 101st CL8 team that are currently playing for Outlaws. Of the total roster, that constitutes 44%. Seriously, they used 44% of a disgrunteled clan league roster deserting their clan as a justification to take our spot away from us, which brings me to my next point.

There is no precedent to this. Let me remind everyone that AT NO TIME EVER BEFORE has clan league ever removed a clan from it's spot for less than 50%. They point to a lot of past decisions that have been made, but fail to make the connection the bar has never been this low. In fact in private conversations, MOTD even tried to pretend that there was no rule or precedent for this kind of situation, which is so patently absurd, that I immediately begin to question his honesty in dealings with me.

Thirdly, I find it telling that this committee has decided who "deserves" the spot. On that, they are extremely out of bounds. How many times in a professional sports game do the referees determine who "deserves" the win. Obviously they don't because they understand their role. Their role is to enforce the rules to ensure fair play. In this case clan league leadership is bending the rules, making it up as they go along, with vague promises that they "might come up with a rule in the future". Even if they do develop a rule in the future, it will do no good as they have demonstrated a willingness to break their own rules.

One thing that is significant is the why. What motivates this committee to blatantly disregard rules and precedent to decide who "deserves" the spot? I'm not sure, but I can tell you one thing. There was another person who used the word "deserve" with me in private chats quite a lot. That was Platinum. I find it telling to hear words and whole phrases right out of Plat's handbook being used in the official committee decision. Very telling indeed. One other point to raise is that if anyone's been following the forums, the Outlaws have been referring to that spot as theirs for weeks now. With confidence. Even their clan homepage has been advertising for weeks "building a clan league division A team". Supposedly, this decision was reached yesterday. The idea that this decision was reached yesterday is an obvious falsehood. Supposedly, no members of the committee coluded with members from Outlaws. Supposedly.

In conclusion, I reject this decision. I'm not disagreeing with it. I'm not appealing it. I flat out reject it as an attempt of outright theft. This is clan league and the spot belongs to 101st clan. Any committee that says otherwise just undermines their own credibility. I don't actually direct this to the clan league officials. They have already proved their lack of credibility, their lack of impartiality, and their collusion with members of the Outlaw clan. I appeal rather to the clans that make up clan league. Is this the behavior that we are going to tolerate of our clan league officials? Blatant partiality and collusion? Are clan league officials now deciding who "deserves" to be in which divisions? Are the referees now deciding who deserves to win games?

Disappointed... Would have hoped there could have been an agreement to have the right players play in the right spot, as well as the right clan in the right spot.

Disappointed because I, as well as many others within 101st feel like we have at least a handful of players that would be up to the challenge of div A.

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You stood absolutely 0% chance of coming anything but dead last in A next season.

101st playing in A would be laughable and a waste of your time. It'd also be demoralizing to the members of 101st to get so heavily bodied in every tournament.

CL5, when 101st stayed in A, and Lynx started back at the bottom - was a mistake. The only tournament where 101st won even half of the games was the one I played in. I went 4-2 in strat 1v1 in CL A. 101st had no business being in A. It has even less business being in A right now than it did then.

Your 4 members nonsense is also, wrong.

Here's who played for 101st, and where they are now:

Platinum - Outlaws
Jinxed - 101st - inactive for over 3 months
Panagiotis - Masters
Tac(ky)tical - Outlaws
MarkusBM - Outlaws
TeamGuns - Outlaws
Marceline - clanless
Bonsai - Outlaws
Benoit - VS


"There are 4 (count them, 4) members of 101st CL8 team that are currently playing for Outlaws."

Bonsai - Outlaws
Tac(ky)tical - Outlaws
MarkusBM - Outlaws
TeamGuns - Outlaws
Platinum - Outlaws

I'm counting them. I'm not coming up with 4. Especially since that's 5 out of 9, which is 56%, and in fact not:


"There is no precedent to this. Let me remind everyone that AT NO TIME EVER BEFORE has clan league ever removed a clan from it's spot for less than 50%."

There are in fact, 0 out of the 9 people that got 101st to A, that would play for them next league. No one who would play for 101st next season earned a thing in CL.

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"Disappointed because I, as well as many others within 101st feel like we have at least a handful of players that would be up to the challenge of div A. "

To believe that is delusional. There is not 1 single player left in 101st that played in B to get them to A. The only people in 101st capable of competing in A are alts of Lynx players.

101st would come dead last in B, forget about A.

Edited - I said some things in the heat of the moment that I no longer stand by.

I'm upset with this decision - that's all that I want to say on this.

Edited 10/19/2016 06:18:06

"The mission of 101st has always been crystal clear - it’s a training academy for Lynx."

Really?

So you're training blowfly so that he can join Lynx? You better get on that, I sense a lot of work ahead of you.

Edited 10/16/2016 03:04:56

Ok, all other things aside...

Why in hell would then CL organizers/panel allow Lynx training academy to play the same division as Lynx?

As far as I'm concerned Lynx is upset they lost their puppet. They'd have gotten two votes for templates rather than one had 101st been in A. That'd allow them to largely control the clan league.

We'd like to apologize for becoming better than just "Lynx B" through absolutely no help of the Lynx players, which is why we left in the first place. Quicksilver's post is complete revisionist history since we exhausted every option over months of talks with Lynx to find a situation where we would stay and everyone would be happy.

Edited 10/16/2016 03:12:54