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You stood absolutely 0% chance of coming anything but dead last in A next season.
101st playing in A would be laughable and a waste of your time.

And now a spectator has determined which team "deserved" to win.

@Nauzhror:

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/171558-clan-league-8-retirements?Offset=60

Outlaws have confirmed that Tac(ky)tical has retired. His account is being used by Edge, Styxie and a few other people right now. Tac(ky)tical, Jinxed and Marceline have retired while Benoit left to join VS and Panagiotis left to join Masters. Thus, we have Platinum, TeamGuns, Bonsai and Markus remaining as part of the original 101st CL rooster, which is 44%.


Whether 101st or Outlaws is better is a subjective argument. Ultimately the respect/aura a clan has gained does not contribute to the division they start in; all clans start from the bottom, and work their way up. Whether the current 101st is competent for Group A is irrelevant.

The main thing is that the spot belongs to the CLAN. This is CLAN wars, not a battle of individuals. If individuals swap clans throughout the competition, that's fine, but the CLAN itself is the one that retains its spot throughout. People like Miyagi are a perfect example; part of Masters clan, but representing Apex because Apex chose to put him in their roster; that does not mean Miyagi has any claim whatsoever to the Apex CLAN slot.

Have you met Nauz? Lol

That's your response to your entire argument being trashed? Best you can come back with as a retort? Pitiful. Go be a good boy and run back to Zero so he can tell you how to respond.

You're his bitch boy. The clan's nothing but a puppet, and he pulls your strings. Tells you who to recruit, uses you, but wouldn't ever actually promote you to Lynx, because, alas you're not good enough.

There's a whole lot of people in 101st that aren't good enough. Lynx is aware of this, the clan doesn't really have one purpose and one purpose only like Quicksilver attempted to claim. To argue otherwise is asinine, as there's only a handful of people in 101st at best that anyone in Lynx would spend time training 1 on 1 with the expectation that they'd ever improve enough to join Lynx.

Even not counting Tactical, and making it be 44%, that's still 44% more than the # of people left in 101st. Jinxed doesn't count, sorry, he's basically clanless, since he's been inactive for months, and cannot be reliably considered as part of 101st's CL9 lineup.

And hey, maybe Tactical wouldn't have decided to quit had you not been an absolute scumbag?

I don't consider you a friend of anyone, you're a selfish prick who uses people. You damn well knew what you were doing was scummy when you decided to log into someones skype account and dig through their private messages. But you didn't care, because you never give a shit about anyone but yourself.

You won't promote Forgotten Knight, because he's not good enough, but you'll lead him on, let him think he might be eventually, and use him as a puppet till he realizes.

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"as part of the original 101st CL rooster, which is 44%."

I'm really hoping ZeroBlindDragon tells us more about his clan league rooster.
really, really hoping.

Meanwhile! In the Hydra headquarters.....

That's your response to your entire argument being trashed? Best you can come back with as a retort? Fucking pitiful. Go be a good boy and run back to Zero so he can tell you how to respond.

You're his bitch boy. The clan's nothing but a fucking puppet, and he pulls your strings. Tells you who to recruit, uses you, but wouldn't ever actually promote you to Lynx, because, alas you're not good enough.

Dude, settle down. The counter argument you provided can be equally divided into inaccurate and irrelevant. There wasn't really anything worth responding to.

As far as your feelings about me in relation to Zero, I suppose that you're entitled to your opinion, but I doubt anyone who sees us interact on a daily basis would agree with it.

I can't get over how personal this is to you. Why is this so personal to you? Why do you feel the need to lash out at me personally? What have I ever done to you? Is this your common response to someone disagreeing with you?

Is it personal to you that you didn't get something you didn't earn in any way whatsoever? Or are you always this entitled? It might explain why you're so bad if you just expect to get things handed to you without earning them.

"As far as your feelings about me in relation to Zero, I suppose that you're entitled to your opinion, but I doubt anyone who sees us interact on a daily basis would agree with it.
"

I was in the Lynx/101st skype chat daily for many many months, I've seen the way Zero interacts with everyone. He treats people as if they are expendable objects.

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lol. I'm done responding to you, Nauz. There's no point.

I didn't earn the spot in A. 101st did. And that is the point.

Clans don't earn things. Players do. Not one of the players that did so is still in 101st.

It's true that when Lynx was made they were forced to start back at the bottom while 101st remained in A.

The precedent therefore implies that 101st should be in A next season.

Fuck the precedent. It was an error last time, and we don't need to continue making the same errors over and over simply so as to not rock the boat. The goal is to improve as a society, not to continue making bad decisions because they were made in the past.

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honestly, I find this very unfair decision.
which division will play 101st?
all the numbers mean nothing! it is a moral story!!
if I decide with a majority of Lynx players to create another clan, then my clan will Div A?
How can you reward the one who betrayed?
Nevermind if they have 13% win! It s their spot!
how many did WG this CL?
I think M hunter largely the level to play in Division A! why not give them a spot in div A

soooo Unfair!! i hope u ll change your mind!

ps: nothing against u outlaw. it s just not your spot!
u decided to create a new clan. no problem!! start at bottom like all new clan

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@Nauz

"Clan League 8 Division B Official Thread"

"Clan League"

"Clan"


I'd like to point out that there are other ways of deciding this so that both sides feel satisfied, or at least equally ripped off.

After all the fighting we had to do to get Hydra to replace Illuminati in C, I find it appalling that it was so easy to steal a seat in A.

Seriously. That stinks of corruption.

It also says a lot that the two people running this whole league are members of A-list clans, with no representation from clans that aren't in the competitive "inner group", of which 101st, controlled through Lynx, was a member. This is not an acceptable abuse of power by the league overlords. People have already complained about elitism ruining the competitive Warlight scene before, and this scandal only serves to worsen the problem.

The clan is nothing more than a collection of players. They didn't win B because they were named 101st. They won B because of the skill and hard work the people playing put into winning.

The goal isn't to make everyone feel ripped off. The goal should be to avoid making anyone feel ripped off.

101st wasn't going to benefit from playing in A. They were going to get clobbered. Division A in general wasn't going to benefit from 101st's inclusion, it'd have watered down the competition immensely. The reason people play in CL is to compete.

Basically, you have two decisions:
Outlaws is in A: which results in people playing in divisions they are competitive in, which results in a more competitive CL.

Or you can do the opposite, which results in a clan at the bottom that has no business being there, a clan at the top that's going to get demolished, and have the rankings hold little to no meaning for either clan till several seasons have passed resulting in equilibrium being re-achieved.


What you seem to want is something fair to the "101st name". What I am much more interested in seeing, as are the CL panel clearly - is a decision that is fair to the people that played in the prior clan league. As is you're all bitching that you lost the privilege to do something you hadn't earned, and wouldn't have benefited from.

Worry less about principal, and fairness to a name and idea, and more about fairness to people. People do things, companies, clans, coalitions, etc. do not, they're just imaginary constructs.

"The clan is nothing more than a collection of players. They didn't win B because they were named 101st. They won B because of the skill and hard work the people playing put into winning."

they played for 101st! if they did not want, they should not do

There's also the possibility of having Outlaws play for 101st... That's what I meant by "I'd like to point out that there are other ways of deciding this so that both sides feel satisfied, or at least equally ripped off.": this solution could either be seen as great or terrible, from either side. I personally think it's the closest we can get to the best of both worlds; Outlaws players playing where they deserve, and the clan's spot in question staying with the clan promoting.

I 100% agree we would get our asses handed to us in div A, but as I said, there are a handful of players here that could hold their own (somewhat). From there, adding more experienced, stronger players would help both advance the actual 101st members as well as it might be enough to help 101st compete in div 1. Maybe not for a top 3 finish, but maybe against relegation.

All petty argument aside, I feel like 101st is overall a pretty good clan with a good general concept of strategy. They're a lot better than before because of a lot of training they've been getting, and I think that it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if they got the A spot. Certainly a consideration in my mind. On a completely different note, There's a lot of harsh talk and petty insults in this thread honestly you people need to act like the adults you are and calm down. Thanks for reading.
-Brad

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