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Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 00:18:47


Adrijan
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ﭛﭜﭝﭞﭟﭠﭡوَمَكَرُوا وَمَكَرَ اللَّهُ ۖ وَاللَّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ
Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru almakireena


Translation:

“And the disbelievers deceived and cheated, but Allah deceived. And Allah is the best of deceivers.”

– Quran 3:54
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 00:21:12


BUFFALO
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Allah isn't satan, allah is too evil to be satan!
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 00:26:08


Stewie
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wrong Surah to talk about Skandenberg, I think you meant 3:56.

"And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers."

now that's more satanic, isn't it? At least be successful in creating good arguments.
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 00:37:00


Adrijan
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http://quran.com/3/54

Good try Kebab, Next time rehearse your Holy Satanic book of hell better. I know its hard to read Arabic when its not your mother tongue. But words here are the exact ones and the translation is correct, you believe in Allah the deceiver, Satan inpersonified.

Oh and this time dont say its not WRITTEN IN THE QURAN, I even paste the extract in Classical Arabic.
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 00:39:23


Stewie
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SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners.

...that's not even close to how you "translated" it on your OT, y'know...
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 00:43:10


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^Yeah Gentile Christianity indeed has awful transliterations, not bad translations though. I don't know whether this applies to Albanian. Messianic translations of Bibles are better. Also that is the Tanakh.

One interesting about Islam is that most things are NOT translated but instead are only transliterated. This is just like how Messianics deal with Biblical names and concepts in Hebrew.

Edited 7/30/2016 00:45:45
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 00:47:18


Imperator
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الله <-- That word is "Allah" when transliterated into english. "Allah" is just the arabic word for God, and it's not unique to Islam. As for proof that God is not satan, it abounds in christian, islamic, and jewish theology, like I'm serious what kind of challenge even is this?
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 00:53:22


Adrijan
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Was waiting for this answer kebab, and you exactly take the bait as expected!
For sure in some "official" website about Quran (particularly for english ignorant speaker) they wont use some word showing the religion of Death the wrong way, but here some word of Classical Arabic can be translated differently, as consequence you can read this sentence as : "And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers".
My dear Kebab comrade, Im sure you had some compulsory religious class, we had it too in Albania (christianity and islam), so before treating me as ignorant about Islam, you should check it before posting nonsense :) Triggered? eat a kebab youll feel better after it.


No to mention, the Bible itself mention the end of Islam and the deceiving evil God as a prophetising message : "And the beast (Allah or Satan) was taken, and with him the false prophet (aka Muhammedi) that wrought miracles before him, with which he Deceived (again yea) them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."
(Book of REvelation that describe Apocalypse)
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 00:54:14


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^^Well in terms of terminology you are right. Ancient Jews and Christians in Arabia did use the word Allah to refer to Elohim of Yisrael. However here Adrijan certainly used the word to refer to the God of Islam.

Edited 7/30/2016 00:54:36
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 01:00:12


Жұқтыру
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Wamakaroo wamakara

my new slogan
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 01:00:39


Adrijan
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for the one ont yet understanding when i say "allah" i do not mention God (the true one), but the God mentioned in Quran which is different. I already explained it in another thread mentioning "Allah of Quran" I wrote it that way on purpose as I know christian from east call god "allah" as allah in arabic mean only god, that not the point, here "allah" i mention only the god worshiped by Muslim, cant expect that you noticed it anyway.
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 01:08:35


Adrijan
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ah and for now the challenge is not yet fulfilled :) you have to prove Allah (of Muslims) isnt Satan, Kebab or Squiggle I count on you!
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 01:09:11


TeamGuns 
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الله <-- That word is "Allah" when transliterated into english. "Allah" is just the arabic word for God, and it's not unique to Islam. As for proof that God is not satan, it abounds in christian, islamic, and jewish theology, like I'm serious what kind of challenge even is this?


+1 Imperator



They're all the same god, and the 3 books are pretty much the same too btw. The only difference is the way of worshiping that god.
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 03:48:39


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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Ooga Booga Donga Boga - Legit Somali words.
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 03:49:52


DerWyyy
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So Adrijan is yet again another 1416 alt...surprise surpise
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 03:51:54


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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It's Karl.
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 05:08:00


[WOLF] AMERICAN EMPIRE
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^ Yeah this was determined like 2 days ago, surprised people haven't realize this yet.

Edited 7/30/2016 05:08:10
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 06:08:29


Fan the Apostle
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Where do I get a copy of an English Quran
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 06:14:15


Major General Smedley Butler
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How'd you determine this though?
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 06:20:58


Paugers
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@TalkingFan

You're suppose to read the Quran is Arabic as it is seen as the proper translation.
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 06:21:39


OxTheAutist 
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Hail Satan.
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 07:43:26


Fan the Apostle
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@Paugers

I know that it should be kept without translation but I don't understand Arabic so maybe English is a better option.
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 08:20:08


TeamGuns 
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English should work just fine. We read the bible un english when it was translated too, so there's no need for you to learn arabic.
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 08:25:35


Adrijan
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"So Adrijan is yet again another 1416 alt...surprise surpise"

Not even close xD

"It's Karl."

Nope, I am just me, Adrijan from Lezhë, if I was Karl I think fizzer would ban me already as he told me. I met Karl in paugers chat yesterday (thank to have invited me!), he is a nice guy, and we share many view, but we havent the same view always for every thing (example jews), anyway it is funny to see people believing everybody with a different view is "karl", he warned me about it, and your comment here just proved he is right :)


ahah any way I see its nice try to deraill my thraed uh? for now nobody convinced me about allah (of muslim) not being the devil, I am very disapointed by kebabs and squiggles!
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 08:47:56


Adrijan
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"English should work just fine. We read the bible un english when it was translated too, so there's no need for you to learn arabic."

Teamie, that prove you know nothing about Islam, no surprise from someone that do not read properly (mention of allah of muslims).
the only language how you should raed Quran is Arabic, that all.

Why? I will tell you why:
if you start translating it, you would find the trecheary of it, and how incoherent, contradictory, fake this "holy" text is, first muslim scholar knew it. As I shown you here with this verse of quran's suret, if translated properly you see the incoherent part of it, where God is treated as the deceiver, exactly how Bible describe Satan in the book of revelation, do you honestly believe this is a coincidence?

We call people of Daesh "radical muslim", if they werent muslim do you think we would use the word "muslim"? however we use "radical MUSLIM", because they are MUSLIM, admit it or not, Islam is the religion of Death and Apocalypse disguised. Trump has a right idea for America: banning all muslim, do you think that harsh? when you believe and worship Satan you should not be allowed to enter America, even if you are not terrorist, I know good people that xcall themselve Muslim in Albania, some are even friend, I consider them as people that has been fooled and told lie by their family that were forced converted by Kebabs, I do not reject them, because the Christian have to open their heart and help people that are not seing the truth and believe in wrong thing, many of people I know have renounced Islam, because after reading it (not in arabic szince nobody know it) in their language they found that Islam was a religion made by a pedophile pervert hobo from Mekka that hear the voice of the Deceiver, Satan disguised in Allah (allah here = God), but as the Book of revelation warn us :
"And the beast (Allah or Satan) was taken, and with him the false prophet (aka Muhammedi) that wrought miracles before him, with which he Deceived (as said in the Quran) them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."
(Book of REvelation that describe Apocalypse) "
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 10:00:52


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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I've done a bit of research into Revelation...
You claim to be a Christian. I find this claim fairly dubious, but I'll have to take it at face value.

So, the people of Daesh are called radical muslims. Just as the man who attacked a Planned Parenthood clinic in USA earlier this year was called a radical Christian.

Trump does not want to ban all muslims, he simply wants to stop muslim immigration temporarily.


Anyway, moving on to the most misguided part of your post, the Revelation quote:
The part that applies to muslims is chapter 22 verse 18

"I testify to every one who hears the words of
the prophecy of this book, If any one shall add to
these things, God shall add to him the plagues
which are written in this book"


Basically, the muslims have taken the bible, and said that Jesus is not the savior, rather, Mohammed is. Therefore, they have added to the book.


Now, onto your quote:

"And the beast (Allah or Satan) was taken, and with him the false prophet (aka Muhammedi) that wrought miracles before him, with which he Deceived (as said in the Quran) them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

To begin with, I don't recall seeing those parts in brackets, so I'll assume that you put them in. First, I'll find the actual quote (chapter 20 verses 7-10)

"And when the thousand years have been completed, Satan shall be loosed from his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations which [are] in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war, whose number [is] as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city: and fire came down [from God] out of the heaven and devoured them. And the devil who deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where [are] both the beast and the false prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for the ages of ages"

Okay, so what you're saying is that these people are Allah and Mohammed. All I can say is that you're WRONG with a capital W. And capital R, O, N, G as well. Please tell me, when were the thousand years completed? Mohammed was dead last time I checked, so he must have already done his false propheting. Therefore, according to your logic, all this must have already happened. Please explain to me exactly when the apocalypse occurred.

PS: When the antichrist/beast does rise up, good luck getting deceived!

Edited 7/30/2016 10:01:40
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 10:17:27


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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I think that would win a "Long and boring post" competition
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 10:41:00


Adrijan
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"I've done a bit of research into Revelation...
You claim to be a Christian. I find this claim fairly dubious, but I'll have to take it at face value. "

You done bit research on Revelation? guess you never read it at all? "a 2 min research" wont be enough for you to really master this topic my friend.
Are you Christian? I also doubt about it, every christian know the book of revelation, you do not need research if you know the holy scriptures.

"So, the people of Daesh are called radical muslims. Just as the man who attacked a Planned Parenthood clinic in USA earlier this year was called a radical Christian."

How many attack by christian compared to muslim? Do you heard of a terrorist christian state populated by savages do you?
I do not neglect some people are mad and call themself "christian" the thing is, christianity and its authority do not recognize their act as christian, wereas people doing jihad arent condemned really by any legal muslim authority, WORSE! Many IMAM convey this message of hatred! tell me when a catholic priest or orthodox help and defend terrorist or "radical christian" as you say. Call me when the highest religious one of Arabia strongly condemn they act WITHOUT AMBIGUITY. Salafi in Arabia have the purest Islam doctrina, and they are the one conveying message of violence and hatred. What do it mean? well, it mean that Islam when practiced correctly is the religious of violence and death, that is well represented nowdays around the world by Salafi and purist Muslim.
On other hand, the SUFI the one that we call" moderate" arent pracicing the purest form of Islam, because Sufism is influenced by external ideologies out of Islam (influenced by former religion for example, or mysthicism, it is mostly a synchretism, but we cant call Sufism pure Islam as the one pracitced by Salafi)

"Trump does not want to ban all muslims, he simply wants to stop muslim immigration temporarily."

"temporarily, got to prove it, what he say is as logn as muslim do not improve and cannot leave in society they should be banned, and this is unlikely to change.

"Anyway, moving on to the most misguided part of your post, the Revelation quote:
The part that applies to muslims is chapter 22 verse 18

"I testify to every one who hears the words of
the prophecy of this book, If any one shall add to
these things, God shall add to him the plagues
which are written in this book" "

Quran (this book) wasnt yet written, in case you did not know it Christianity predate Islam by more than 600 year. However the book of revelation describ perfectly a possible way of Satan creating is own religion and how in Apocalypse he could be destroyed, because at the end of time the beast speaking though Muhammedi will be revealed (Satan the deceiver is a fallen angel, that considered himself as God, that would not be surprising he tempted to create his own religion)

"Basically, the muslims have taken the bible, and said that Jesus is not the savior, rather, Mohammed is. Therefore, they have added to the book."

indeed they have taken the bible, corrupted it and made a new book known as Quran, proving you know nothing about both religion, Muhammedi is not even considered a savior in Islam, he is a prophet, Christ over is still seen as the savior that in end of time would come again and fight the antichrist in the final battle of end of time.
If you want to debate with someone about religion, an advice for you: know yourself what you are talking about, because it is clear evidence you have no religious education at all my friend :)

"
Now, onto your quote:

"And the beast (Allah or Satan) was taken, and with him the false prophet (aka Muhammedi) that wrought miracles before him, with which he Deceived (as said in the Quran) them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

To begin with, I don't recall seeing those parts in brackets, so I'll assume that you put them in. First, I'll find the actual quote (chapter 20 verses 7-10)"

Miserable attempt, do you believe I invented this quote? This is what happen when you try to debate and know nothing about it and doing a "superficial" research.
I guess your "little research" did not went enough far, and to conclusion you miserably failed, if you want to find my quote check "Revelation 19:20", the most pure version of this verse in aramaic is as follow "And The Beast was captured and The False Prophet with it, who did signs before it by which he seduced those who received the mark of The Beast, and those who worshiped its image; and both went down and were cast into The Lake of Fire that burns also with brimstone". Well you might see that there is almost no difference with the modern form of this verse, so the message is the same, and it strictly match with Islam, Allah the deceiver, and a false prophet, Muhammedi.

There are further references about the false prophet, made by Matthew (something like "beware of the false prophet!" do not remember exactly the entire verse) or Daniel. I advice you to look at them if you wnat further knowledge :)

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"And when the thousand years have been completed, Satan shall be loosed from his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations which [are] in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war, whose number [is] as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city: and fire came down [from God] out of the heaven and devoured them. And the devil who deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where [are] both the beast and the false prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for the ages of ages"

Okay, so what you're saying is that these people are Allah and Mohammed. "
Indeded I am. Many hints could show that these people are the devil that named himself God (=Allah in arabic) and Muhammedi being the false prophet.

"All I can say is that you're WRONG with a capital W. And capital R, O, N, G as well. "

Oh yeah I am WRONG, W R O N G, wrong wrong wrong xD My God do you believe you can convince someone by writing it many time?

"Please tell me, when were the thousand years completed? Mohammed was dead last time I checked, so he must have already done his false propheting."

Prophet arent immortal, and you seem to confund prophets and the CHRIST, Jesus is more than a prphet and in Islam even if it recognize a false prophet by Satan treachery, you can see there are many contradiction, one of them being that Jesus konwn as Isai Jezusi or Isa (depending on language) is immortal and will come at the end, Arabs were christian at the beginning after all, so even with words of the deceiver through Muhammedi they did not denatured entirely the original message, because Jesus is more than a prophet he is the bringer of HOPE, that would come back in Messianic time!

" according to your logic, all this must have already happened. Please explain to me exactly when the apocalypse occurred."

In case you did not konw, the Bible reveals what happen in the future, hence the book of REVELATION My God, this is so ridiculus xD at least you made me laugh by your patetic knowledge of religions :) if you want to know how the apocalypse occur, read the book of revelation, it exists on this very purpose ;)

"PS: When the antichrist/beast does rise up, good luck getting deceived! "

when he will arise, I have no fear, Jesus will come back, and even Muslim did not forget it.

Edited 7/30/2016 10:57:24
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 11:46:54


Adrijan
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"I think that would win a "Long and boring post" competition"

Something not mentioned here, I am the ONE deciding who win the competition :) and for now nobody proved allah (the deceiving God of the Quran, not generic term Allah=God) isnt Satan.
Prove Allah isnt Satan | A Challenge.: 7/30/2016 13:19:48


GeneralPE
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Guys, adrijan is not karl (they chat with each other on skype, so unless it's a REALLY serious deception, they are different ppl), and he is not 1416 because there is no way 1416 could make himself speak against Islam like adrijan does
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