Freedom of Speech as per the first amendment applies only to the United States Government. Private institutions have every right to shut you up for spouting rude, hateful nonsense.

As an example, the Government can't stop you from shouting about how all the gays are going to hell. But I can sure as hell throw you off my property if you do.

You are too radical

"I dont understand why a website made by one american, is so CENSORED!"

This has to be a joke statement no?
The USA has far more censorship than any other civilized western nation.

Big government rules over us all the time telling us what is right and wrong and what we should think or not.

Censorship refers to the government. Nothing else. Freedom of speech does not apply on the internet unless you are posting on a site that you own and host.

Learn what those amendments you're so stupidly referencing actually mean before making a complete and utter jackass out of yourself in the future.

If I am hosting your site and you create something I don't like, I can pull your site down. If you post something on my site I do not approve of I am fully in my power to ban you. Attempting to circumvent such bans is actually illegal and is largely akin to trespassing, just rarely enforced.


Personally I'd ban all political discussions, they don't belong here This is a game, the forums should be free of hate and venom. Alas, they're not, what they more closely resemble is the fucking filth that is found on sites like stormfront.org

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at least Pie is talking sense.

edit: topkeku.svg looks like Omniscient posted the same correct thing too.

yeah, idiot fascists. I'm not calling you idiots because you're fascists (even though I damn-well could). I'm calling youse idiots because you don't understand these simple concepts.

Fizzer's roof = Fizzer's rules. Stop bitching. If you don't like them, get out, but as a non-racist, I feel like he's very lenient with what is allowed to be said on here.

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If you don't like the lack of free speech in this forum, protest it. With your wallet or just on the forums, but if you don't like it, protest it.

No. If you don't like it, use another forum. This isn't the place for such discussions. It's a game, the forums should be friendly to people of all ages, cultures, nationalities, etc.

Yes, if you don't like it, protest. That's what you do when you don't like something a business is doing, you protest it, either via your wallet or through being vocal about it. If you're important enough to Fizzer, he'll change the rules, if not, too bad.

the forums should be friendly to people of all ages, cultures, nationalities, etc.

"I support freedom and openness to all people, except those who disagree with me."

No. If you don't like it, use another forum.

It's the off-topic forum, people can discuss what they darn well like unless it violates the rules. Besides, who the heck are you to tell anybody to leave? Who died and made you king of the fora? Get off your entitled high horse, Stalin.

If you don't like the lack of free speech in this forum, protest it. With your wallet or just on the forums, but if you don't like it, protest it.

+1

Smedley is one of the only people in this topic using brain cells it seems.

As a final note, I'm not a fascist, and I don't agree with the crap that OP, Paugers, and co. have been spouting lately. However, I recognize that they have the right to make their views heard just as much as the high and mighty "liberal" thought police roaming around here.

@Omniscient, Pie, and Ox: If you hate Fascism so much, why would you use fascist tactics to fight it? It only makes you look hypocritical and in the end you look just as bad as the people you're criticizing.

"the forums should be friendly to people of all ages, cultures, nationalities, etc.

"I support freedom and openness to all people, except those who disagree with me."


No. You should feel welcome to post here regardless of your background. That doesn't mean you should feel welcome to post whatever you like.

It's akin to me owning a restaurant and saying that everyone is welcome. That doesn't mean you're welcome to come in wearing a "God hates faggots." shirt. It means you can come in regardless of your views. The moment your views become actions allowing you to remain is becoming exclusive rather than inclusive.

It's akin to me owning a restaurant and saying that everyone is welcome. That doesn't mean you're welcome to come in wearing a "God hates faggots." shirt. It means you can come in regardless of your views. The moment your views become actions allowing you to remain is becoming exclusive rather than inclusive.

All of that is true. However, if you start policing people's freedom of expression you'll face the appropriate backlash for behaving like a tyrant.

That's irrelevant though, this isn't your website. You have zero power to tell people what they can and can't post.

It's akin to me owning a restaurant and saying that everyone is welcome. That doesn't mean you're welcome to come in wearing a "God hates faggots." shirt. It means you can come in regardless of your views. The moment your views become actions allowing you to remain is becoming exclusive rather than inclusive

This forum is dedicated to expressing your views on issues not related to warlight, the only action that can done here is posting views on various issues and subjects. It's like if you had a breakfast shop, and folk usually ordered things like pancakes and waffles, but one day a bloke ordered eggs, and you refused because you didn't like eggs.

OT forums are pretty separate from the game and players don't get sucked into them unless they want to so I suggest they remain a free speech zone (except for stuff like CP and terror threats that would jeopardize ads). If people want to share their extreme views here I am of the opinion that they should be allowed to. If some view is too extreme to be considered than it should be vulnerable to opposing arguments; silencing it should be unnecessary.

Political discussion should be allowed on the OT forum. It's an organic interest of the community. Steering the discussion towards more puritan topics would create a database of low-energy, uncommitted, and small voice of opinions. Players invest most of their energy in political discussion, and as previously mentioned, the OT forums are so removed from the game that even the most vile OT forum wouldn't kill actual game traffic. If not for the inevitable downward trend all online games suffer from made worse by rampant over-moderation, this game could actually thrive with a hostile OT forum.

Unfortunately OP was suspended, not even for extremity but for mildly disagreeing views. The moment players are suspended for offering their two cents to improve the community is the perfect moment to flee.

As the game stagnates (WarLight needs to maintain a steady growth to rake in the ad revenue, a trend it hasn't been following recently) the kind of steering, censoring policies will only become more apparent. In a desperate attempt to save the ads, mildly unorthodox behavior anywhere on the site is grounds for suspension. For anyone who talks about PG-R subjects and anyone who isn't a crony, this means an inevitable ban. Site bans for forum violations is one of WarLight's biggest weaknesses. The active and controversial players who get banned are irreplaceable, the loss in playerbase has a profound effect on ad revenue. Most new players (normies) don't stay for more than a few weeks, and most "trolls" are veterans.

For normal players who enjoys the standard WarLight strategic game format, I would suggest steering clear of any controversial subject. Warnings and suspensions add up and there's no way to reset them so you will be banned inevitably. WarLight truly is the best risk clone and it has a great selection of maps, it's a shame the moderation had to come down so hard on people, and a terrible business strategy. Hopefully someone makes a better risk clone with an intellectually tolerant community.

For diplomacy players, there are far superior games that you can play online. I recommend Call of War or New World Empires. You have to be really good at what you do to get banned from these games.

For the mods and cronies, I suggest you find a new platform to live our your power fantasy because this game isn't going to be popular in a few years.

No Smedley. Nowhere in the off-topic forum is it implied that all topics are acceptable.

Topics not related to warlight, yes.

Many gaming sites have off-topic sections on the forums. Nearly all of them would ban people for the type of shit that is posted here.

You seem to be implying that off-topic means no rules, no holds barred, post whatever you want. It doesn't.

And no, this isn't my site, but it's pretty clear what Fizzer's views are when he bans someone.

Back to the restaurant anology.

I throw you out for wearing a shirt that says god hates faggots. You sneak back in, or send your buddy in to throw a fit about how I threw you out, guess what, you're not staying the second time either. If you have a complaint with the owner you contact them, privately - not sneak back in or send in proxies to throw a fit. In this case the owner is Fizzer, and the appropriate way to express displeasure is via email or PM, not by trying to cause a riot on the forums.

No Smedley. Nowhere in the off-topic forum is it implied that all topics are acceptable.

Topics not related to warlight, yes.

Many gaming sites have off-topic sections on the forums. Nearly all of them would ban people for the type of shit that is posted here.

Yes topics not relating to warlight, like politics.

Also, what? I've been to other gaming forums and they don't ban over political opinions on their off topic forum. Yes, spam, insults, significantly derailed threads and porn, but not political opinions.

I throw you out for wearing a shirt that says god hates faggots. You sneak back in, or send your buddy in to throw a fit about how I threw you out, guess what, you're not staying the second time either

I complain about it to other who frequent your store and stop using it*

This is what I've been advocating.

Omniscient, just out of curiosity. Would you be holding the same hardline "No politics allowed" position if the forum was full of radical socialists and progressives? I can't help but notice there's never a public outcry from your kind whenever a liberal thread appears, but the moment anything right-wing appears it's nothing but "ZOMG RACISM, OFFENSIVE, BAN EVERYTHING"

You have no clue what "my kind" is.

Because I don't air my laundry on a gaming forum.

You have no clue what "my kind" is.

By "Your kind" I'm referring to people who want to censor what other people can and can't say because "It's offensive".

Because I don't air my laundry on a gaming forum.

You've aired plenty on this thread. Just by even taking part in this argument you're breaking your own "No politics allowed" rule.

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Once again, you guys can believe and argue about whatever the fuck you want, but it doesn't matter jack shit if Fizzer and our new moderation staff don't want it here:

"Freedom of Speech as per the first amendment applies only to the United States Government. Private institutions have every right to shut you up for spouting rude, hateful nonsense.

As an example, the Government can't stop you from shouting about how all the gays are going to hell. But I can sure as hell throw you off my property if you do."

I'm fairly sure that a fine line exists between "Free Speech" and "Hate Speech". Considering this is the internet and people get WAY to offended on it, I'm still going to let this be known. In America, 9/10 of what you've posted has been either racist or autistic.