| Promotion/Relegation League Season 20: 11/2/2016 23:49:14 |
[wolf]japan77
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Just saying, I am playing 2 turns every three days. It's just that my games generally take a large number of turns because I'm not willing to admit defeat unless I'm 95% certain that there is no potential way to victory, and I play a cautious style, which results in me taking many more turns than others to win.
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 20: 11/3/2016 01:41:54 |
Pushover 
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Having seen Metatron and japan77's game histories, I would say neither player is intentionally stalling, or taking many more turns than average (if you noticed, I haven't been using that word, but rather "slow play").
In general, taking more turns is not admirable, you should know when you lost.
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 20: 11/3/2016 01:58:35 |
Pushover
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Anyway, based on responses so far, most participants seem to favor a 60 day cutoff (75 days next season). I might lose a couple players to the new rule. I will hash out details and announce it officially in the new thread when season 21 starts. The rules will shy away from nuance and judgment calls and towards easily observable facts.
Metatron, I appreciate that you don't agree, and I am making the decision to piss you off with my eyes wide open, sorry. This is because you and other slow players really *are* niche. In my estimation 90-95% of the league will not be affected by this rule ever.
I want to reiterate that I am *not* accusing Metatron of foul play *at all*. I am making a decision based on the playing habits of the majority of the league, and based on what I think will benefit the majority of the league.
I'll probably lose a bigger chunk of top players if I go to 3 games at a time, based on the responses in this thread. So unfortunately I need to let go of this idea.
Thank you everyone who participated in the discussion, it was really helpful to come to a decision.
TODO:
1. Check on the progress of the playoff games
2. Adjust promotions and relegations given that Onoma94 changed his mind about leaving
3. Check on the progress of the outstanding groups
Edited 11/3/2016 02:03:43
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 20: 11/3/2016 02:04:02 |
│ [20] │MASTER│ Rikku │ I love my wife │ • apex │
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I'd like to be added to the waiting list to join. Thanks.
Edited 11/3/2016 02:04:32
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 20: 11/6/2016 03:15:52 |
J_Dog33340
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i don't like the idea of a limit it cuts off time for planning or, time for school/work to be in the way of getting on. ive also got a mind that can stack and separate a lot of different things so 3 games at a time sounds great.
Edited 11/6/2016 03:26:07
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 20: 11/21/2016 14:21:45 |
Onoma94
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This got buried a bit
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 20: 11/21/2016 17:22:01 |
The Royal Canadian Empire
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Please add me to your waitlist for the next season. Thanks!
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 20: 11/25/2016 20:52:01 |
Pushover
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Sorry about my unplanned hiatus, but the timing seems to be right as certain groups have finished this holiday weekend. If all goes according to plan, I should have the next season ready to go by Sunday the 27th, with tournament join deadline by December 11, and the "hard cap" end of league being February 26, 11 weeks after the start (about 77 days). After this trial run the league length will be shortened to 9 weeks (+2 weeks to join tournaments) which means we have about 5 seasons per year and 3 weeks.
Here are the results from the last groups to finish:
GROUP C2
smileyleg (6-0) - WINNER, Promotes to B
Pushover (4-2, 1-1) - tie
Metatron (4-2, 1-1) - tie
Hades (4-2, 1-1) - tie
Don [ Ω ] (1-5) - Relegates to D
Master Atom ◆Elite◆ (1-5) - Removed for inactivity (surrendering without playing)
Ollie (1-5) - Removed for inactivity (boots)
Hades beats Metatron to force a 3 way tie for second place. In the interest of time, I will be promoting the group C1 runner up without a playoff game. Therefore Metatron, Hades, and I will all compete in tier C next season.
GROUP D2
Dom365 (5-1) - WINNER, Promotes to C
Arkanton (4-2, 1-0) - Promotes to C
Master Jz (4-2, 0-1) - Promotes to C
Platinum (3-3, 1-0)
Maréchal Lannes, duc de Montebello (3-3, 0-1)
PhucilliJerry (2-4) - Relegates to E
MightySpeck (a Koala) (0-6) - Relegates to E
Platinum beats PhucilliJerry to stay in tier D, while PhucilliJerry relegates.
GROUP F1
AWOL Gls AJ (4-0) - WINNER, Promotes to E
Math Wolf (4-2, 1-1) - Promotes to E
Pink (4-2, 1-1) - Promotes to E
Hunta (4-2, 1-1) - Promotes to E
bobbob000 (2-4)
BADA (1-5)
[wolf]japan77 (0-6) - Relegates to G
The final games see japan77 relegating to tier G.
Tier G Super-Promotion to E Playoff:
MisterT defeats Motoki!
Tier G Promotion to F playoff:
Kevin Turner defeats Coronel Gavilan!
TODO (hopefully by Sunday):
1. Adjust promotions and relegations given that Onoma94 changed his mind about leaving
2. Update the new players lists
3. Report final standings, promotions, and relegations
4. Report groups for season 21
5. Adjust rules language according to new rules and discussion
6. Create season 21 groups
7. Determine season 21 promotions and relegations (prior to adjustments for inactive players)
8. Create new season 21 thread
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 20: 11/25/2016 20:58:22 |
Pushover
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This is the revised promotion and relegation schedule:
GROUP A - 7 players, 2 relegate (gain 2 from B)
6th and 7th place relegates
GROUP B - 6 players, 1 dropped out, 2 promote (gain 2 from A), 2 relegate (gain 3 from C)
1st and 2nd place promotes, 5th and 6th place relegates
TIER C - 3 dropped out, 3 promote (gain 2 from B), 2 relegate (gain 6 from D)
GROUP C1 - 6 players, 1st through 2nd place promotes, 6th place relegates
GROUP C2 - 5 players, winner promotes, 5th place relegates
Playoff between 2nd place C1 and 2nd place C2 cancelled in interest of time
TIER D - 1 dropped out, 6 promote (gain 2 from C), 4 relegate (gain 9 from E)
GROUP D1 - 6 players, 1st through 3rd place promotes, 5th and 6th place relegates
GROUP D2 - 7 players, 1st through 3rd place promotes, 6th and 7th place relegates
TIER E - 4 dropped out, 9 promote (gain 4 from D), 3 relegate (gain 8 from F, gain 4 from G)
GROUP E1 - 5 players, 1st through 3rd place promotes, 5th place relegates
GROUP E2 - 5 players, 1st through 3rd place promotes, 5th place relegates
GROUP E3 - 6 players, 1st through 3rd place promotes, 6th place relegates
TIER F - 8 dropped out, 8 promote (gain 3 from E), 2 relegate (gain 15 from G)
GROUP F1 - 7 players, 1st through 4th place promotes, 7th place relegates
GROUP F3 - 6 players, 1st through 4th place promotes, 6th place relegates
TIER G - 3 dropped out, 4 promote to E, 15 promote to F (gain 2 from F)
GROUP G1 - 7 players, 1st place promotes to E, 2nd through 5th place promotes to F
GROUP G2 - 6 players, 1st place promotes to E, 2nd through 5th place promotes to F
GROUP G3 - 7 players, 1st place promotes to E, 2nd through 5th place promotes to F
GROUP G4 - 5 players, 1st place promotes to E, 2nd through 4th place promotes to F
Onoma94 returning to the league means there will only be 4 super-promotions to tier E from tier G, which basically makes both playoff games completely unnecessary. Oops! Kevin Turner remains in tier G, and MisterT will only promote to tier F.
Additionally, the tier C promotion playoff is cancelled, 2nd place C1 takes the final promotion spot.
Edited 11/25/2016 21:00:42
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 20: 11/25/2016 21:05:13 |
Pushover
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 20: 11/25/2016 21:10:51 |
Pushover
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The final standings of Season 20, along with promotions and relegations, are as follows:
GROUP A
Timinator (5-1) - WINNER
timon92 (4-2)
Krzysztof (3-3, 1-0)
rocky1 (3-3, 0-1)
FlyingBender (2-4, 2-0)
Jefferspin (2-4, 1-1) - Relegates to B
Beren • apex (2-4, 0-2) - Relegates to B
GROUP B
Master of the Dead (4-1, 1-0) - WINNER, Promotes to A
master of desaster (4-1, 0-1) - Promotes to A
JV (3-2, 1-0)
Bigchps147 (3-2, 0-1)
Mirror (1-4) - Relegates to C
Master Turtle (0-5) - Relegates to C
GROUP C1
Buns157 (5-1, 1-0) - WINNER, promotes to B
almosttricky (5-1, 0-1) - Promotes to B
Oh Noes (3-3)
Master Bjarke (3-3)
Verzehrer (2-4, 1-0)
Great Expanse (2-4, 0-1) - Removed for inactivity (boots)
ChrisCMU (1-5) - Relegates to D
GROUP C2
smileyleg (6-0) - WINNER, Promotes to B
Pushover (4-2, 1-1) - tie
Metatron (4-2, 1-1) - tie
Hades (4-2, 1-1) - tie
Don [ Ω ] (1-5) - Relegates to D
Master Atom ◆Elite◆ (1-5) - Removed for inactivity (surrendering without playing)
Ollie (1-5) - Removed for inactivity (boots)
GROUP D1
awesomeusername (4-1, 1-0) - WINNER, Promotes to C
USA Biches (4-1, 0-1) - Promotes to C
Sultan Kosmitów (3-2, 1-0) - Promotes to C
AWESOMEGUY (3-2, 0-1)
Andersault (1-4) - Relegates to E
ferede (0-5) - Relegates to E
GROUP D2
Dom365 (5-1) - WINNER, Promotes to C
Arkanton (4-2, 1-0) - Promotes to C
Master Jz (4-2, 0-1) - Promotes to C
Platinum (3-3, 1-0)
Maréchal Lannes, duc de Montebello (3-3, 0-1)
PhucilliJerry (2-4) - Relegates to E
MightySpeck (a Koala) (0-6) - Relegates to E
GROUP E1
Turkish (3-2, 2-1, 1-0) - WINNER, Promotes to D
graemes (3-2, 2-1, 0-1) - Promotes to D
Cata Cauda (3-2, 1-2, 1-0) - Promotes to D
butterfly94 (3-2, 1-2, 0-1)
Onoma94 (2-3)
<SNinja> Leinad (1-4) - Relegates to F
GROUP E2
PanagiotisTheGreekFreak (4-0) - WINNER, Promotes to D
13CHRIS37 (3-1) - Promotes to D
Ryzys (2-2) - Promotes to D
Hasdrubal (1-3)
mslasm (0-4) - Relegates to F
GROUP E3
DR. Love (5-0) - WINNER, Promotes to D
독일남자(Rob) (4-1) - Promotes to D
Min34 (3-2) - Promotes to D
Hostile (2-3)
tomjh (1-4)
Benjamin628 (0-5) - Relegates to F
GROUP F1
AWOL Gls AJ (4-0) - WINNER, Promotes to E
Math Wolf (4-2, 1-1) - Promotes to E
Pink (4-2, 1-1) - Promotes to E
Hunta (4-2, 1-1) - Promotes to E
bobbob000 (2-4)
BADA (1-5)
[wolf]japan77 (0-6) - Relegates to G
GROUP F3
culpa (5-1) - WINNER, Promotes to E
rouxburg (5-1) - Promotes to E
[NL] bassoonplayer (4-2) - Promotes to E
Countess (3-3) - Promotes to E
Coyote151 (2-4, 1-0)
[WL] Colonel Harthacanute (2-4, 0-1) - Relegates to G
Madmen (0-6) - Removed for Inactivity (boots)
Group G1
Semicedevine (6-0) - WINNER, promotes to E
MisterT (5-1) - Promotes to F
Doron Hoh (4-2) - promotes to F
kroete (3-3) - promotes to F
MarkusBM (2-4) - promotes to F
Coronel Gavilan (1-5)
Bayern München is the best! (0-6)
GROUP G2
dry-clean-only (5-1) - WINNER, Promotes to E
Njord (4-2, 1-0) - Promotes to F
MIFRAN (4-2, 0-1) - Promotes to F
carlos12.0 (3-3) - Promotes to F
Izazovnog (2-4, 1-0) - Promotes to F
Naram-Sin (2-4, 0-1)
Dogberry (1-5) - Leaving the League
GROUP G3
Glamorous❤ (6-0) - WINNER, Promotes to E
Motoki - モトキ (5-1) - Promotes to F
[FCC] Aura Guardian (4-2) - Promotes to F
KKND (3-3) - Promotes to F
Dob (2-4) - Promotes to F
Kevin Turner (1-5)
Doc (0-6)
GROUP G4
SATS (5-1, 1-0) - WINNER, promotes to E
Electric_Kitten (5-1, 0-1) - promotes to F
BYG Jacob (3-3, 1-0) - promotes to F
Tac(ky)tical (3-3, 0-1) - Removed for inactivity (boots)
Adolf Hitler (2-4, 1-0) - promotes to F
Weatherman900 {TJC} (2-4, 0-1)
Omniscient (1-5) - Removed for inactivity (boots)
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 20: 11/25/2016 21:51:41 |
Pushover
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The groups for season 21 are as follows. In tiers with multiple groups, I separate players into pots: relegating players, players remaining in the same tier, and promoting players. I then use random.org to shuffle the players into the groups. GROUP A Timinator timon92 Krzysztof rocky1 FlyingBender Master of the Dead master of desaster GROUP B Jefferspin Beren • apex JV Bigchps147 Buns157 almosttricky smileyleg GROUP C1 Mirror Metatron Master Bjarke Pushover USA Biches Dom365 awesomeusername GROUP C2 Master Turtle Oh Noes Verzehrer Hades Sultan Kosmitów Master Jz Arkanton GROUP D1 ChrisCMU Platinum AWESOMEGUY Min34 독일남자(Rob) 13CHRIS37 graemes GROUP D2 Don [ Ω ] Maréchal Lannes, duc de Montebello Cata Cauda Ryzys DR. Love Turkish PanagiotisTheGreekFreak GROUP E1 Andersault PhucilliJerry Onoma94 culpa Countess AWOL Gls AJ Semicedevine GROUP E2 ferede tomjh Hostile Math Wolf [NL] bassoonplayer rouxburg Glamorous❤ GROUP E3 MightySpeck (a Koala) butterfly94 Hasdrubal Hunta Pink dry-clean-only SATS GROUP F1 <SNinja> Leinad bobbob000 Adolf Hitler MarkusBM KKND Dob Doron Hoh GROUP F2 mslasm Coyote151 Electric_Kitten carlos12.0 Motoki - モトキ Njord kroete GROUP F3 Benjamin628 BADA [FCC] Aura Guardian MisterT Izazovnog MIFRAN BYG Jacob GROUP G1 [WL] Colonel Harthacanute Coronel Gavilan [*Voo*] tomn555 Kaerox krunx Phaeril J_Dog33340 GROUP G2 [wolf]japan77 Doc Ink Splatoon IMMORTAL Master Farah♦ El professor Des {TJC} GROUP G3 Naram-Sin Kevin Turner The Adversary Rubin Alexander The Only One Trixie Lulamoon Black.Bishop GROUP G4 Bayern München is the best! Terek {Shredtail2} zanbato ViralGoat Nickovision Edge GROUP G5 Weatherman900 {TJC} Matt431 Mirage ARand0mPlayer Mr. Nobody Robert E Lee .. this guy WAITLIST - players pulled from here, in order, to fill vacancies in tier G Etienne https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=4747057948Great Expanse https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=9935521502 Andresso https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=6441410851Apollo https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=5755701451 Rikku https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=2969075806The Royal Canadian Empire https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=3036422648[WOLF]-Aleksander The Great https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=7936869064
Edited 11/25/2016 21:54:31
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 20: 11/29/2016 15:39:22 |
Φιλώτας
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 20: 11/29/2016 20:24:51 |
Onoma94
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^ you are overrating Des hard :P especially as he just went inactive, so I don't think he will play at all
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 20: 11/30/2016 06:42:52 |
[wolf]japan77
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thnx for the vote of confidence, but I still don't know what I'm doing on this template.
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