Not that the deaths on 9/11 weren't tragic but 9/11 is certainly not important compared to what is happening in the world now. We have nations in Europe at war with eachother. A new terrorist group killing people daily. Syria in Civil War. People being severely oppressed.

What I don't get is how the deaths of 3000 people matter right now in this world. What makes their deaths more pronounced or more proclaimed over the deaths happening today? It's bullshit to think that deaths 15 years ago are more important than deaths today.

It is truly tragic that 3000 people died on 9/11. Those people didn't need to die the way they did. But they did die and we can't change it. We need to worry about issues affecting us today.

We have nations in Europe at war with eachother.

care to elaborate? last I checked there were no wars going in Europe.

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Are Russia and Ukraine no longer at war? It was my understanding that they were in a 2nd war after Crimea?

[Edit] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_intervention_in_Ukraine_(2014%E2%80%93present)
This is what I was referring to. Russia has bee over in Ukraine for a few years now.

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ah right, that's more of a crisis than an actual war declaration thought.

doesn't mean you are wrong on your sayings however; 'Murican people really need to move from the issues happened more than 10 years ago and start focusing on the more important matters that's actually taking more lives in the long run.

the supweem weeder talking about the value of human life?

Not that the deaths on 9/11 weren't tragic but 9/11 is certainly not important compared to what is happening in the world now.

It wasn't weighty then, either. Not when 8 times as many Americans died the same year from common killing, and a few hundred thousand more from air pollution. Not when 150k folk died that day of any cause. And all the other killings - Bagdad, Paris, Ankara - barely stack up at all to any irregularity in the 170k that die each day.

But you know what gains from their popularisation? Weapon sellers and governments that like to go to war. But oddly, they don't like to popularise happenings like the deadlier Bhopal disaster of 1983 (~4 000 killed), or the Great Smog of 1952 (~12 000 killed). More folk get killed by lightning strikes in America than by dread, I bet. All modern disasters, but not so easily gained from, but if it's a modern disaster that can be wielded to provoke upholding for war, it's done. Disgusting.

The only weight the September 11 attacks have is being the bloodiest fear attack in all the past.

The only weight the September 11 attacks have is being the bloodiest fear attack in all the past.

...and the fact that it was a direct hit to American exceptionalism that had embedded itself to common folk's culture until that day; nobody thought such big terrorist attacks could happen in the US.

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Yeah, maybe it was "symbolically" a big attack on America as well, but I'm sure this "symbolism" was exaggerated at some muchness.

What I don't get is how the deaths of 3000 people matter right now in this world. What makes their deaths more pronounced or more proclaimed over the deaths happening today? It's bullshit to think that deaths 15 years ago are more important than deaths today.

Simple.

First: although not the first shots, war in itself is predictable, and any fighting from so on is too. 9/11 caught everyone unprepared, by surprise.

Second: it was the biggest death toll in US territory in it's history since the civil war. A country deemed untouchable after it's surprising growth and achievement of being the one pulling the strings of the world suddenly is about as mortal as any other.

Third: it's the biggest terrorist attack in history. Terrorism is war shown to people for a small instant, but quickly, and unpredictably. Normal people got killed; like me, like you. People who were shopping or working. Not someone actively fighting for survival in a borderland.

wrong on all counts zeph

Alright.

Regardless of who did 9/11, we haven't avenged it.

With the amount of carnage and terrorist attacks we've seen after 15 fucking years, my dad said it was like watching Vietnam; day after day Americans get sent to some foreign country to fight not a stable, recognized nation, but an invisible enemy.

We built a tower, but we've destabilized the Middle East more than ever.
We got rid of the Taliban, but they just come back.
America is fighting an ideology with bullets. It's not like we're in WWII. There is no official "ISIS territory", or clearly identifiable soldiers. No.

One man a soldier lets pass could be a refugee, the other a terrorist with plans to gun down a hotel. Why? Because the people who we are fighting can be civilians. The man who drives a car into a house could be an Islamist, but he's not trained. He stocks shit at the grocery store.

The US is trying to fight an idea, an idea anyone can take, like it's a country. An ideology is not an idea.

So as we near 9/11, I'd like to say 3 things:
1. This conflict between various terrorist groups and the world won't end. It won't until we realize ISIS is an ideal, not a nation.
2. Is shitposting about the 3000 people who died truly a respectful thing to do?
3. The holiest Muslim holiday starts the night before 9/11. Truly a topkek.

Da fck is ^+Aleph_0?

Just because I'm a Jew doesn't mean I know everything.

Tabby, you're so bad at using Jewish stuff it's like an Asian trying to use ebonics.

day after day Americans get sent to some foreign country to fight

They're not sent. They go of their own accord. There's a big split - the split between being a slave to a bloodthirsty organisation against being a bloodthirsty fellow.

we've destabilized the Middle East more than ever.

goal 1 fulfilled.

got rid of the Taliban, but they just come back.

unprofitable to rid them fully.

There is no official "ISIS territory", or clearly identifiable soldiers.

They do have somewhat stable land, but it's just not recognised. And they do have uniforms, but then they like to put on plainclothes uniforms. It's odd that you bring up Second World War though; what was the happening that started it all? A brigade of German soldiers in Polish clothes attacking Gleinwitz.

^+Aleph_0

it reeks of being spastic