Synesthesia and I live in the same city, and yet have had a couple turns where we wanted to suggest a better moveset to the other player and weren't able to in time due to the boot. Sometimes I cannot make a turn in time, or I actually plan to make my turn in the 2 days range so that I can parse out how many turns I make a day. Make too many in a single sitting and I make mistakes. In 1v1 it's very simple, you're the only one accountable for your turn and you can consistently make it. Why I bring up not being able to change your partner's moveset is because it's equally as important as avoiding a boot. Both can make you lose, the boot being more immediate. It follows the same mindset, the 3 day boot really isn't long enough for a couple discussions to be held. It's too important. 4-5 day boot should be for the 2v2 ladder.

we've stayed up to stupid hours or set alarms to get up super early to counter-act our differing time zones

Hmm, this is the biggest barrier preventing me from rejoining the 2v2 ladder, as I keep thinking that I should play with someone in my own timezone (and who has the time to commit to it), which significantly shrinks the available pool of players...

What is your timezone difference, Dom/Unreality, and how often are you able to discuss your turns live? With some partners we pretty much have to play message tag (which is better suited for 5-7 day boot)

My argument against extending the boot-time is simple - the 2v2 ladder progresses very slowly as it is (4 people per game, raising the chances of each turn going over 60 hours, fewer teams meaning fewer games) - I feel that raising the boot time would slowly suffocate the 2v2 to death.

What is your timezone difference, Dom/Unreality, and how often are you able to discuss your turns live? With some partners we pretty much have to play message tag (which is better suited for 5-7 day boot)

I'm GMT. He's whatever time-zone is in Hong Kong :P He's 9 hours ahead of me. We usually use my mornings/his evenings, although we'll sometimes use my late nights (I often work until 11PM, so being online at 00:00, or 1/2AM is not unusual) and his mornings to discuss things. In addition, of one of us has time whilst the other sleeps, we'll analyse games from our different aspects.

Additionally, if we know that we'll be unavailable at a specific period, then we'll let each other know in advance, so we can arrange a time to talk.

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hedja, != is very common in programming language, which means "not equal to" :) i am sorry for using this alien sign

i dont oppose to 4 days.

however, piggy, hedja and lolowut all just complain about lack of time without stating how you plan your discussuion schedule. Do you just leave msg in game? Have you used skype whatsapp line wechat or any other instant messengers?

I mean, have you done any basic works in scheduling to keep the discussion running smooth? Nobody gives me a real answer yet to the basic requirement of team communication.

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We just leave messages in game, we dont use skype or webchat because that would be no different really. Most ladder teams do not come online to chat RT they are people with families, demanding jobs and social lives. We play the game for fun to relax, we would rather risk getting booted than have it turn into another chore. Players on the 2v2 ladder try to use holiday to structure their time better, at any given time there will be a top 2v2 ladder game being stalled for a week by someone on holiday because they simply have a busy work week. Theyre more likely to actually play WL during a holiday. I dont know if 4 days is enough, I would recommend 5. The ladder will become even slower, but most would be very happy to see that happen. Have you noticed that most teams are playing 2 games at a time? Very unlike the 1v1 ladder. It is because they want a slower ladder.

There is a different in using instant messenger. Just give a try.

It wont disturb the real life, but your partner can receive the msg and perhaps start to think and analyze while not in the game during some life break.

There is also plenty of other ways too to deal with the communication problem, you are smart but you just refuse to solve it

Hmm, I agree and disagree with Piggy. Right now, I am very active and hate the two day wait between turns in the 2v2 ladder. Myself and Willow have gotten our orders in within a day each turn so far I believe. However, back before I took my break from warlight, I played with Chris and Pulsey and got booted in 4-5 games with them.

Overall, I think 4 days is the perfect boot time for the 2v2 ladder. Any longer than that, and games can easily last 2-3 months. With 3 days, there are too many boots.

Dom and Unreality, is there not a problem with the amount of boots happening in the 2v2 ladder right now? In my ladder run with Synesthesia, 3 matches have been ruined by boot. 2 were at picks so we did replacements. The function of the ladder is to provide competition with easily seen results (ratings and rank). The function of the ladder is not to be speedy. JSA, I would like to point out you're STARTING your ladder run, the current teams you're facing don't require as much discussion as others will.

Skype is cool, but it doesn't really speed up discussion. If my partner is around skype, he also sees my messages ingame and is already replying. I find myself sometimes discussing things ingame with Frank despite both of us being actively on skype.

Piggy and I aren't even complaining about being booted, we're complaining about our OPPONENTS being booted. When top teams are constantly getting booted, then why is this such a ridiculous thing to ask for?

i think i have repeated multiple times that i am fine with 4 days setting, and i understand your reason behind

Is asking how u schedule your discussion time made u think that I treated your request as ridiculous? pls calm down, i have also said i will support piggy's uservoice vote :)

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I think boot should remain at 3 days, except booted players turn into AI. 4 days is too long, having played that template so many times, it's rlly not that hard to pick, since its such a small map.

I didn't read any of this but wanted to mention that 3 days is not enough time and here is my reason:

Biggreen, my partner, has been booted like 4 games in the last month and I've been booted once or twice. We don't communicate but only play while drinking. Now biggreen is an adult and has a job so is unable to drink with me most times. Therefore, if we could take all of our turns Thursday-Sunday, that would be perfect. Right now most boots come on Wednesday, just not enough time for us.

Spoken like a true AHoL, lawm.

@Brain: The fact it is a small map makes the picking stage harder due to the unavailability of 8 easily discernible options. It makes you think about how to beat the obvious options without compromising your own situation.

@Brain: The fact it is a small map makes the picking stage harder due to the unavailability of 8 easily discernible options.

agree, plus that smaller map tolerates mistakes much less

@Lolowut - Yeah, there are boots in the ladder as it is, but there would still be boots at 4 days, or 5 days, or whatever. At least with the standard 3 days, people know where they stand.