Gnuff - i was mistaken about something so i deleted the comment.

gg - Actually - two last spots are being relegated, so most likely GG will go down one group for the next season, but yes - we will not regulate them. Neither WM nor 20 have any plans for sanctioning GG ;)

BIA for sure is being relegated, the way my 2v2 games are going I'm afraid VIW may be the second... I have to hope that Carlos/Darco make it up for us, and GG's 3v3 team continues to tank :x

Little Update
1 WG Points 75 Max Points 81 Place 1st
2 WM Points 64 Max Points 71 Place 2-3rd
3 apex Points 55 Max Points 71 Place 2-5th

4 AHoL Points 46 Max Points 55 Place 3-6th
5 VIW Points 39 Max Points 48 Place 4-6th

6 GG Points 32 Max Points 56 Place 3-7th

7 BIA Points 25 Max Points 38 Place 6-7th

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Arn0ahIN9qcsdDM2VU9mUnFONmltYjN1ZlBWTDlXV3c&output=html

Edited 3/6/2014 11:53:51

Hahaha best update so far!

Update
1 WG Points 75 Max Points 81 Place 1st
2 WM Points 64 Max Points 71 Place 2-3rd
3 apex Points 55 Max Points 68 Place 2-5th
4 AHoL Points 46 Max Points 55 Place 3-6th
5 GG Points 39 Max Points 56 Place 3-6th
6 VIW Points 39 Max Points 48 Place 4-6th
7 BIA Points 25 Max Points 34 Place 7th

GG got some important points and it looks like they will stay in A group

Very proud of my clan for pulling out the hard fought victory. Looking forward to going for back to back next season

Congrats wg!

Who the fck is WG ?

Warren G.

Obviously, Pulsey is a huge fan of "Regulate".

As Gnuffone played both 'Master of Strategy' and Gnuffone in this league, I suggest we strip Gnuffone of his 1v1 points.

But isn't that unfair to punish one side of that equation (WM) and not the other (GG)? It would seem more fair to take half the points from both, although that could end up relegating GG, which would suck for them. If you take them from WM, it won't really change anything, although those points should be awarded to the losers of the games really.

It seems to me you either do nothing, or take half the points in both 1v1s and give them to the losers in each (since you don't know who would have won or lost anyway against a replacement player).

In #1: BIA, WG, GG, AHol all get +1...WM gets -4
In #4: AHol, apex, WG, VIW get +1...GG gets -4

Result:
WM -4
GG -3
BIA +1
apex +1
VIW +1
WG +2
AHol +2

Edited 3/13/2014 17:47:07

I don't think we should punish GG, they didn't know Gnuff was playing for them nor did they want him too. Punishing them for that would seem really unfair. Punishing WM won't change the standings much so not really useful. I'd just leave the scores as it is now.

Whether or not GG knew who was playing for them, they benefited. If you really want to be "fair" GG should nominate another player to replay master of strategy's games. Or, if you really want to be cruel, remove all the points gained from all games won by both Gnuffone and Master of Strategy. :P

If VIW gets relegated due to Gnuffone's shenanigans I'll be really pissed. Let us shoot our own selves in the foot TYVM. >.>

Imo, we do nothing and ban Gunff from league for breaking rules.

But if you take away points it should be from both

Banning Gnuff does nothing, he's retired and not coming back. Stripping the points while it may not change the standings have the symbolic middle finger I want to give to Gnuffone for cheating during the clan league should he ever know we stripped his points.

As for GG, they were unaware of it being Gnuffone until after the games were done. I think there's some logged proof somewhere. Regardless if both need to be stripped idc.

We didnt know Gnuff is MoS. Points from us cant be taken from that reason. If anyone think diffrent i am willing to play those games again by myself, but that would only means we are gonna get more point ;-).

As the leader of the 4th clan league, I am of the mind to leave it as be. Fridge and other wm's should not be punished for gnuffones cheating. GG had no idea master of strategy was Gnuffone, and there is no way they should be punished. The only thing this could affect for wm is whether they get second or third compared to apex, and they earned second, it's not right to strip them of it. If Gnuffone ever does come back, he won't be allowed to play in the clan league.

But Jay, isn't it clear that at least some WM's knew about Master of Strategy being Gnuff's alt? Yet they decided to keep quiet about it, effectively ruining a part of your league and collectively disrespecting it. The whole clan is responsible, and they haven't even expelled Gnuff yet. Do they really condemn Gnuff's actions?

By the way, we know Gnuff had an alt at least in REGL. Maybe he applied similar tricks to REGL last season and got illegitimate points for WM there as well?

Edited 3/15/2014 01:12:03

Well Pulsey imitator, I must say, you do a perfect job of imitating him, but he told me a while back who you are, and your interest in politics about Crimea confirmed it :)

But to the real point, I understand your reasoning, I just think it's a small point and not worth arguing about. How do we know which wm players knew? Was it just Gnuffpme? Or did fridge know as well? Do we kick their whole clan out for bad sportsmanship and cheating? Or do they lose a couple points? It's too much to fight about and relatively pointless.

Which regl player is he? He has always said he has an alt in 101st, but I still am not certain. He probably has an alt in viw too, but who? Is it worth combing through these clans to find Gnuffone? For me, it's not, if one player does too well and raises suspicions, ofc they'll be checked by some to see if they are an alt.

You're right, maybe it's too little to do anything about. It's obvious that the whole WMID knew about MoS. I don't know who in REGL is Gnuff's alt.