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What to do with Benelux.: 4/13/2012 22:33:08


Min34 
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haha lol. I meant that Wilders is a racist not you.
What to do with Benelux.: 4/14/2012 19:15:59


Moros 
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The Netherlands is finished! Who will make a champagne bottle map?
What to do with Benelux.: 4/14/2012 20:00:09

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|> The Netherlands is finished!

Sweet, congrats! :)

|> Who will make a champagne bottle map?

How about asking Richelieu (or Guillaume, Evreux, whatever he's called this month); he's French and he's good at makings [maps](http://warlight.net/Map.aspx?ID=5305)!
What to do with Benelux.: 4/14/2012 21:45:50

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Found a minor omission, Hattem is not a part of the Gelderland bonus yet.

Nice improvised logos for the "Below NAP", "Above NAP" bonuses. To be honest though, I like the logos for Flanders and Walloon even more; you're really customising everything, aren't you? (Are you a descendant of Van Gogh and/or Mondriaan (very limited colour palette) by any chance? :p )
What to do with Benelux.: 4/14/2012 23:18:10


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Crap, how could I say Mark Rutte there... I feel so stupid.

But to get back ontopic, the map looks really nice so far Moros. How many hours have you sunk in it already?
What to do with Benelux.: 4/14/2012 23:45:38


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|>Found a minor omission, Hattem is not a part of the Gelderland bonus yet.

Fixed

|>Nice improvised logos for the "Below NAP", "Above NAP" bonuses. To be honest though, I like the logos for Flanders and Walloon even more;

Yup, I couldn't think of anything else. And you should try to guess why I picked these colors for the Flanders and Walloon bonus links (easy).

|> you're really customising everything, aren't you? (Are you a descendant of Van Gogh and/or Mondriaan (very limited colour palette) by any chance? :p )

Limited colour palette? Do you mean the province bonus colors? I picked them this way to make them easily distinguishable, but I might later choose others that don't hurt your eyes :)
What to do with Benelux.: 4/15/2012 00:43:10

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|> Yup, I couldn't think of anything else.

You could do something with a symbol representing "Netherlands" (maybe our lion) with a dual wavy line above / below it. :) Neah, just kidding, this is far more clear.

|> And you should try to guess why I picked these colors for the Flanders and Walloon bonus links (easy).

Black / red with a golden outline, those are the official colours / the colours of the Belgian flag. Or is that not what you meant?

|> Limited colour palette?

Mondriaan is mostly know for his straight lines, but that doesn't apply to you at all, so I wanted to clarify why I put his name there; another characteristic of his style is that he only used white, black and primary colours. While you use a few more, it's still a very limited palette.

Which reminds me of an old joke:
Men are like Windows 95 (hey, when I said *old* joke, I meant it!), they only know sixteen colours; peach is a fruit, navy is ships with guns and mauve is cheating at Scrabble!

ps. Thank you for not answering Frank's question, I'm quite sure I don't want to know...
What to do with Benelux.: 4/15/2012 08:25:33


Min34 
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Vianen is still missing 3 connections
What to do with Benelux.: 4/15/2012 09:22:17


Moros 
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Fixed. And I replaced the Walloon bonuslink, since it used to overlap the Buseel letters.
What to do with Benelux.: 4/15/2012 11:26:59


antiloopje
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Perhaps you could change the bonuslink for the brussels capital region with their flag/emblem. (See the Dutch or English wikipedia for an example.)
It is as much an official region as Flanders or Wallonia (though it is not a community) and it certainly isn't a eleventh province or so.

Btw: Brussels (and Belgiums) main airport is located in Zaventem just outside Brussels.
What to do with Benelux.: 4/15/2012 14:26:38

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|> It is as much an official region as Flanders or Wallonia (though it is not a community) and it certainly isn't a eleventh province or so.

I've always meant to ask, is it a bit similar to Washington DC; not a part of any state (province), to prevent "jealousy" between the state (province) containing the capital city and the other states (provinces, and in the Belgian case, maybe even language communities)?
What to do with Benelux.: 4/15/2012 14:27:20


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What to do with Benelux.: 4/15/2012 16:11:49


antiloopje
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@RvW: You asked for it... here it comes

I'm not an expert on the case, but I'd say that it's not a matter of "jealousy". It's rather that it belongs "equally" to both and so they decided to make it part of none of both. (I guess, because I wasn't born when we started to cut ourselves in pieces.) I say it belongs equally to both because Brussels was a unilingual Flemisch town untill about 1850, when it started to become French. Nowadays about 80% of the people in it speak French.

Note that I was talking about **gewesten/régions/regions**. They make decisions that are location-bound like traffic, economy and work, agriculture ... Provinces always are a part of a region. (Example: West-Vlaanderen is a part of Vlaanderen and Namur is a part of Wallonia.) Since Brussels already is a region, it can't be a province as well.

Belgium also has three **gemeenschappen/communautés/communities**. They are Flanders, Wallonia and the German speaking community. This time Brussels belongs to bóth Flanders and Wallonia. The german speaking municipalities lie entirely within the province of Liège and thus are part of the Walloon regio. Those communities make decisions about person-bound matters like education, culture, sports ...

So the **language areas** in Belgium are: 1)Flanders (the region) : Dutch ; 2) Wallonia (the region but without the german speaking community): French; 3) Brussels (the region) :officially bilingual French-Dutch and 4) the german part where they speak German (duh).

There are two more things to note: one are the *municipalities with language facilities*, which lie in one language area but where a lot of people with another mothertongue live. A few examples: some on the language border nl/fr, a few municipalities around the Brussels capital region and all the german speaking municipalities (which are german/fr). In those municipalities, people can be served in two languages (e.g. at the townhouse).

Last note (for experts !!! warning: trying to fully understand this will cost you 541 days): Strangly the **kieskringen/circonscriptions électorale/electoral arrondissements** don't exactly follow the provinces. In most cases they do, but 1 time it goes wrong: at Brussels. the province Vlaams-Brabant is split in half and one part merges with the Brussels region. And there you have the birth of Brussel-Halle-Vilvoorde. In that (electionary) region people in Flanders can vote on Frenchtalking politicians from Brussels. There is no reverse case in Belgium, so Flemish politics call it unfair and even unconstitutional. Walloon/Brussels politicians say it is fair, since a lot of those municipalities (in Flanders) are de facto unilingual French. Since a "talentelling" (a kind of national survey on which language you speak) is officially forbidden in Belgium since 1961, there is no way to sort it out.

And that's why it takes us 1,5 years quarreling to get to a compromis (being a split of BHV with a lot of compensations).

Interesting remark: a few of the scenarios of a Belgian split contain "Brussels DC" as a separate state and a true capital for the EU.
What to do with Benelux.: 4/15/2012 18:47:11


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Congretulations antiloopje, you've just made the Comment of the Day!

![](http://oi40.tinypic.com/2ex8tvl.jpg)

And you convinced me on Brussels, do you mean [this](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Flag_Belgium_brussels.svg) with the Brussels logo?
What to do with Benelux.: 4/15/2012 18:55:50


antiloopje
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yep that's the one

And yeah, you can't explain Belgium in 5 minutes...
What to do with Benelux.: 4/15/2012 19:14:34


Moros 
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And what do you mean with the 541 days?
What to do with Benelux.: 4/15/2012 21:19:32

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@antiloopje:
Ah, thank you. I think I knew about half of that, but especially the part where Brussels used to be completely Flemish-speaking, the "municipalities with language facilities" and the ban on determining (effectively) the exact location of the language border were all new to me. (Shame on me, I did know the language border is slowly creeping Northward, so it makes sense Brussels would've been Flemish once upon a time.)

|> Interesting remark: a few of the scenarios of a Belgian split contain "Brussels DC" as a separate state and a true capital for the EU.

Yes, I've heard those scenarios (let's not call them "plans"!). And don't worry, I won't suggest merging Flanders with the Netherlands. I've made that mistake once (in the summer of 2005, while talking to a Flemish girl :s). Since then I've learned that Flemish people don't like the idea (to put it mildly), I've been convinced myself that it's a terrible plan which just wouldn't work and for the rest of my life I won't forget the important events of 2005 - 175...
But, what to do then with Flanders and Walloon? Maybe it's just me; when Czechoslovakia and (most of) Yugoslavia split up, I was too young to really even be aware of it. I think the first national split I consciously noticed was Kosovo breaking of from Serbia. In that case, it felt like "if they want to be separate, they should be". But Belgium splitting up? I dunno, it just feels weird, maybe even "wrong". Maybe it's my "national" (for lack of a better word) pride?
Who said "Common sense is the sum of prejudices obtained when you turn eighteen."? To me, Belgium should be one country; a map of Europe with the countries Flanders and Walloon between the Netherlands and France makes no sense... Besides, how will we ever explain where the name "Benelux" came from (though I gotta admit, "Neluxwafl" (pronounced "'ne Luiks' wafel" does have a good ring to it :p ).

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@Moros:
|> And what do you mean with the 541 days?

Last time it took Belgium 541 days (I only knew it was 1,5 year, I didn't remember the exact number of days) to go from elections to forming a government. Usually I would've made fun of that to all my Belgian friends, if it wasn't for us screwing up even worse (giving borderline-racists actual, real influence, but not making them accountable at all...).

I'm not sure if you remember, but even the Dutch newspapers were full of "BHV" (which, all of a sudden, didn't mean "bedrijfshulpverlening" anymore, but "Brussel-Halle-Vilvoorde", the electoral district antiloopje was talking about). I actually posted (my best attempt at) an explanation a while ago somehwere on the WL forums (since there didn't seem to be Belgians around to give a proper explanation).
What to do with Benelux.: 4/16/2012 11:57:21

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I always envision Brussels more as a post-second-world-war Berlin than a Washington DC.
What to do with Benelux.: 4/17/2012 16:31:18


Domenico
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Hey guys, I'm back.

Map looks good, Moros, just reminding you that you haven't included Groningen in the sub-NAP bonus yet.
What to do with Benelux.: 4/17/2012 18:59:11


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Zuidhorn and "Kollumerland en Nieuwkruisland" aren`t connected. (Groningen and Friesland)
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