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President Trump: 2/2/2017 17:38:21


[REGL] Pooh 
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What sort of logical fallacy is it when you attack the person rather than attacking the argument they are making?
President Trump: 2/2/2017 18:01:59

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Ad hominem
President Trump: 2/2/2017 18:46:34


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@Felidia, Thanks. I was reminded of this post:

previous discussions:
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/224405-introduction-logic
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/224423-introduction-logic

a lot of people in this forum like to attempt to have debates about various topics, but don't have even a basic understanding of how logic works. it is my aim that this post will help them begin to form coherent arguments.

these are the four most common logical fallacies i see committed here:

strawman argument -- attacking an argument that was not made, rather than addressing the argument that was made.

ad hominem attack -- making a personal attack and pretending that is an argument, rather than addressing the argument that was made.

red herring -- bringing up something unrelated and irrelevant, rather than addressing the argument that was made.

genetic fallacy -- attacking the history of the person making the argument, rather than addressing the argument that was made.

notice anything these all have in common? in each case, the argument that was made was not addressed. if you wish to actually debate constructively and with some semblance of intelligence and coherence, you need to address the argument that was made. If you're not addressing the argument made, you're not even in the game. you're just babbling irrelevant bullshit and making a fool of yourself.

i was going to provide some examples but then I realized this forum is full of stubborn trolls who don't have even a basic grasp of logic, who will not heed or likely even be able to understand my advice, so they'll provide the examples for us. i'll identify fallacies in the thread as they are committed.


Source: https://www.warlight.net/Forum/224449-introduction-logic?Offset=0 Post by Wally Balls.

Can someone rate my logic?

1) Wally Balls says that stubborn trolls don't have a grasp at logic and they are on this forum.
2) These trolls are frequently guilty of making ad hominem attacks
3) Wally Balls frequently makes ad hominem attacks, see for example this thread.
4) Wally Balls proves he is either A) Wrong that he is an expert in logic, or B) a troll.

It is also conceivable he is C) all of the above.
President Trump: 2/2/2017 19:17:03


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Ad hominem


Felidia, I don't think you know what an ad hominem is. I said he does everything without sufficient intelligence, I didn't say he is wrong about everything, or anything, for that reason. That would be an ad hominem.

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President Trump: 2/2/2017 19:52:02


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You called him a name, Donny Small Hands.

You don't even know what you're saying.

Here's what you're doing:

you're just babbling irrelevant bullshit and making a fool of yourself.


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President Trump: 2/2/2017 19:54:37


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WAAAA DONT PUT ANOTHER WHITE MALE ON THE SUPREME COURT HE'S LITERALLY GOING TO GAS THE GUD BOI MINORITIES
President Trump: 2/2/2017 19:59:41


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I don't think anybody has a problem with a white male. It's with a guy who founded a club called Fascism Forever.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4182852/Trump-s-SCOTUS-pick-founded-club-called-Fascism-Forever.html

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President Trump: 2/2/2017 20:03:05


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CASTLE BRAVO NOW TWO OFF THE BOTTOM OF THE LADDER



I knew you could do it. You'll be #1 soon!
President Trump: 2/2/2017 20:05:00


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Objection, Relevance. He had a different idea than what is popular. When he was 16 years old. Over 30 years ago.

I move to strike what opposing counsel has said. He's coming up with logical fallacy after logical fallacy to just to smear the judicial nominee.

He's a disgrace to anyone that has a brain, and I demand to see an EKG to prove he's not brain dead.
President Trump: 2/2/2017 21:44:50


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President Trump: 2/2/2017 21:46:41


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MEXICO AGREED TO PAY FOR THE WALL

President Trump: 2/2/2017 21:48:05


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President Trump: 2/2/2017 22:38:26


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President Trump: 2/3/2017 01:16:45

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I don't think anybody has a problem with a white male. It's with a guy who founded a club called Fascism Forever.


The Daily Mail is not a reputable source.
President Trump: 2/3/2017 05:37:12


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The Daily Mail is not a reputable source.


good point. i guess it's bullshit then, because none of these are reputable sources either:

US News and World Report: http://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-02-02/neil-gorsuch-founded-fascism-forever-club-report-says

The San Diego Union-Tribune: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-what-is-fascism-forever-and-why-is-neil-gorsuch-taking-heat-for-it-20170202-htmlstory.html

Daily Caller: http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/02/did-neil-gorsuch-really-start-a-fascism-forever-club-in-high-school/

International Business Times: http://www.ibtimes.com/what-fascism-forever-club-neil-gorsuch-trump-scotus-pick-started-group-high-school-2485282

Salon: http://www.salon.com/2017/02/02/supreme-court-nominee-gorsuch-in-his-youth-fascism-forever_partner/

New York Post: http://nypost.com/2017/02/02/neil-gorsuch-started-fascism-forever-club-in-high-school/

Daily Dot: http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/neil-gorsuch-scotus-fascism-forever/

The Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-supreme-court-justice-nominee-neil-gorsuch-fascism-forever-club-studen-group-found-a7559676.html

AOL News: https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/02/02/report-claims-scotus-nominee-neil-gorsuch-founded-fascism-forever-club-in-high-school/21705827/

The Times: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/supreme-court-nominee-founded-fascism-forever-club-at-school-q5kgrv5hq

Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/outspeak/news-roundup-for-february_1_b_14575988.html

Yahoo News: https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/8eb5d77d-a636-3621-8d9b-8c21b806911a/donald-trump

Independent Journal Review: http://ijr.com/wildfire/2017/02/792785-fascism-forever-club-started-by-trumps-scotus-nominee-dishes-hefty-dose-of-irony-to-protesters/


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President Trump: 2/3/2017 07:11:38


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Even Charles Barkley understands how an ad hominem works

https://youtu.be/XmEs7gBlbm0?t=4m53s

I wasn't addressing any argument of Trump's, I was just pointing out the fact that he's not intelligent. Pointing out a fact is not an ad hominem. You must be using it to claim somebody is wrong.

"Trump is an idiot." --> Not an ad hominem.

"Trump is wrong because he is an idiot." --> This is an ad hominem.

Tune in tomorrow for the next episode of How Logic Works.

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President Trump: 2/3/2017 17:23:18


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Edited 2/3/2017 20:59:15
President Trump: 2/3/2017 17:55:47


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Edited 2/3/2017 20:59:23
President Trump: 2/3/2017 19:27:48


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If you guys have a problem with the veracity of a news story, take up it with the author. I'm just sharing links about our new President. I do not have a team of fact checkers making sure every detail in every article I share is accurate. Nor does my sharing a link mean I stand behind it's contents.
President Trump: 2/3/2017 19:31:25


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I think anybody with an ounce of a clue is aware that much of what I share is just to insult Trump, regardless of factual accuracy. For those without an ounce of a clue, I was not actually claiming this took place. It was a joke.

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