If Fizzer told them to stop then there's no point in going futher into this, is it?

long term this would not benefit fizzer or the game... I think fizzer made the right decision by stopping it because it makes the game more user friendly rather than reward the cheaters with achievements and money.

@Rento

Wasn´t the contrary that I tried to explain. If it takes only community-pressure (if it was the case) to make Fizzer act, then it proves how little Fizzer cares about it. Debated many times and quite obvious that each game-maker has profits in mind - but if they act as a last resort due to community accusations, then how on earth you trust the system? Especially when such practice is simply being pointed with a finger and asked to stop? Apology for the bad analogy, but to me it seems very like a situation, where a case of corruption is being followed by only a warning.

Does this really set a standard or prohibitive example for others, hell no! If warning satisfies someone in this case, where a group of players abused the system (probably according to game rules) how to get high rank in Coin Leader-Board: what prevents others doing same? Even as most cases the group losses exceed benefits - at least in Coin/money terms. The gain can be measured in points maybe - which are worthless.

Well this reminds an old English proverb that has come to new light due to recent use in a movie: "There is honour among thieves".

If it takes only community-pressure (if it was the case) to make Fizzer act, then it proves how little Fizzer cares about it.

You really think like that? If Fizzer ignored it, people would say that he does not care about it. Fizzer told them to stop, people still say that he does not care about it. If Fizzer banned them, people would complain about banhammer again. Man, you really can't please everyone.

what prevents others doing same? Even as most cases the group losses exceed benefits - at least in Coin/money terms.

You got an answer. It's hardly profitable, only under special circumstances (win a season with far less than 40.000 coins won). I don't believe people will storm the coin ladder now to game it this way. I believe many players would leave the coin ladder if Gargamel continued to game the ladder this way. Rational calculation => the result would be bad.

But that's MY opinion, and it shouldn't matter now. If Fizzer took action against them, that means that the ladder is not supposed to be played this way.

Edited 3/6/2017 18:46:51

I don´t blame Gargamel at all, he is just smart fellow that he used such loophole. The problem lies somewhere else. What I want to state, is that inherently Fizzer wants (probably) the system to stay the same. Why? He pays 90$ end of each seasons. And the surrender with 10% loss allows groups to raise the win amount and race highest win amount. I am not going to do the calculations, because they are quite obvious. The 1nd and 2nd place together offer 65$ if the absolute amount lost between such transfer is smaller than that, then you profit + other coin games you play (hopefully with positive turnover).

Warning actually seems pretty much doing nothing as I tried to point out. I hardly see warning as action. Because the point of thread was, someone lost due to that! IMHO

No, people wont storm, if they have some sense left. Maybe only 2 or 3 groups play this 1 time and then they should realise the internal dilemma -> but such systems, Game Theoretically are built for 2 participants/Teams of player. And when played repeatedly (presuming equal investment and skill) should balance it out. BUT this kills the ladder, drives out other people.

Now we have reached to point, where such behaviour is not tolerated - allegedly. Lets say, now its only fair game, fair wins/losses and no coin-transfers! At moment 1st rank has 7249 and 2nd rank 5520 coins won. The incentive is still there, but not public, lets assume in few hours the Coin Ladder closes. The underdog has incentive to win a game just ~2000 coins to beat current leader and take increased prize of 15 $. You can stall such game for a days or even a week. The problem is still in the System. And people are emotional/rational. They just try to hide such behaviour knowing its not tolerated.

I don´t have a solution for that, just stating that what I see. Same applies to ladders and deliberate deflation of ratings (I think that´s how its called).

But I am interested to see, if any names on Ladder change and what will be the required winning amounts now.

Edited 3/6/2017 19:34:20

you can catch me on the leaderboard :)

and if anyone wants to invite me to coin games PLEASE DO I love coinsss

anyone playing this game to make money is a dumbass go out and get a real job

@Darb1114

Do you honestly believe someone is trying to make money here? Its just gambling in a bit more strategic environment. And you do not see anyone making enough cash in leader-board that actually pays for your living, do you? Unless you can make away with 1$/per day.

The only game that offered near 50% pay-off theoretically was Black-Jack, but even there the rules have changed and not for the benefit for players, because the Black-Jack strategy charts can be found nowadays everywhere, and with just a little work you can learn them by heart and perform them without triggering the dealers suspicion. And if you can combine this with Card-counting, its is tho make profit - but getting caught is quite easy that also and getting banned from Casinos.

Since I've read only now and I can't stop laughing at your accuses about how I have taken the gold throphy (1vs1 ladder) I would answer at:

Rento: "

It beats even Belzebu playing against his multiple alts on 1v1 ladder, since he just got the trophy and left.

"

First of all you should know that for every ladder the are rating and ranks graphs that exactly say to you how many times you have been #1 and how many days you hold it.......these graphs are public and anyone can check it, just take a look at mine and you will see that I have been #1 multiple times , exactly 2..... the first time in a period where the points and trophies system had not yet been invented , the gold thophy just appeared a lot of months later.....and the second time I have been #1 for many days(21) before to quit.... so I really do not understand what do you mean with :"

......he just got the trophy and left.

,clearly false.

I'm also interested in know who are these "multiple alts" that allowed me to have the #gold trophy!.......since none of the players who I beat was Italian as me......if you are referring at thanatos, in my second run when I already got the trophy, just because we are both italian friends and I have confirmed it in a sarcastic way after have gain from this victory 1 or being generous 2 points ,his rank was very low, you should probably know that my rating was over 300 points over the second in rank.......and try to imagine how many points I could have if I had delayed the whole amount of losses as you do , instead to surrender at the first one.....probably hundreds more.

We can discuss hours about who among us has had a well-deserved gold trophy.....but obviously
you are another forum troll who just try to delegitimize others to justify your bad and fake results.

Maybe he read this:

yes, I confess, thanatos is a my alt .....to be precise belzebu is an alt of thanatos considering that i joined WL with thanatos and after with belzebutt., but this is not the only way that I used to cheat ladder and pump my ladder rating, I also used the pw of gabriele (an old italian friend) to watch his picks ...my win against azazel its a cheat...i have ask to him to let me win when i was going to lose.....i tought it was pretty obvious , he completely smashed his armies against my armies and let me break sa with only 2.... http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=5929471


you're probably wondering ...... why I confess all this?

because now its irrelevant, all that matter in WL is the resume, and i have it! so i declare myself , the greater thanatos , a living legend and the best player ever!!

And missed the sarcasm

Min is right. This post came up in some thread about ladder records, I thought it was true. I mean, it really wasn't that improbable, was it? Considering the way you got your 95% win rate or whatever that was exactly. If you write stuff like that, you should consider that in some time, the context of it will be lost, and it will be harder to spot sarcasm. Anyway, sorry!

I'm surprised noone commented on it earlier. My post was around for quite some time.

Also, one important thing. My ladder rating was never increased by any sort or cheating or gaming the system.

Edited 3/10/2017 18:27:21

Hahahahaha Beelzeboob, are you still pretending that Thanatos isn't your alt? That he actually is one of your slaves that plays with you all the time to help you pump your overinflated stats? And as if you never cheated before, should I bring up WMID again?

Grow up.

"grow up." the most 2 favourites words of the infant....... who said that i have never cheated before??.....but its nice to see how the same players who said games stats doesn't means nothing are the same that spent their life commenting other players stats.....stats perhaps which are hidden by many years probably because i do not consider importants, only ladder ladder and tournament are shown.....and from these results seems that I learned to play better than you with my "noobs" games against your 15672 "high leveled" games .....so high that I have blacklist you for ruining any high prerequisites team game in europe cause you was considered weak by all.....

and since you talk of slaves.....how many games you played and picked exclusively my team to have a cheap win?? very many, so many that I will not waste times to count them... but i can gift to you a present......:

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=13085924

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=13085923

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=13085916

WOOOW!!! what a such hot material I have gift to you!!!! now also your life have a sense! you have a lot to discuss with your day nursery friends

####towards 100% stats and then to infinity and beyond....!!!!

and since you talk of slaves.....how many games you played and picked exclusively my team to have a cheap win?? very many, so many that I will not waste times to count them...

Yes, it's true. But that was a long time ago, back when I thought you were a good player! Can you believe that?

And you didn't blacklist me because I ruined your "high-level" EU games (no-prereqs and always playing with your #Elite! farming buddies must constitute high-level I guess), but you threw a tantrum when you were discovered to be cheating tournaments and ladders and blacklisted everyone in your invite list and on the forum. Quite ironic that you call me the infant, Beelzebaby.

Anyways, it doesn't do any good to dwell on the past. I'm sure if you actually tried to improve you might've been good, but farming noobs and your own alts doesn't really make oneself better, does it?

Edited 3/10/2017 21:53:53

I feel like I summoned a demon.

Belzebu should be given a coin salary for a weekly exclusive thread to make the forum more interesting.

About the thread:

(1) People gaming a game...Who cares? Trophies hold little value. "But I could have won $40 on the coin ladder instead of $25." If you spend 100+ hours trying to win $40 on the coin ladder, you're not in it for the money. McDonald's pays almost 20 times more ($40 vs $700+)! I advise you to get a job or work more if you are grinding away for $40/month.

(2) The ladders don't exist to determine who the best player is. They only determine who is (a) the most motivated, (b) luckiest, (c) active player (d) with time (e) and energy (f) to focus on WL (g) from among a group of about 50-100 players (h) at a given moment.

Edited 3/10/2017 22:29:03

Belzebu should be given a coin salary for a weekly exclusive thread to make the forum more interesting.

This is a great idea :):) ....although the entertainment of the thread also depend from your rival-interlocutor, at "our times" there were prepared opponents as you (in my case), szeweningen , myhandisonfire and some others who base their speeches on the facts ,now the best that I can have as an opponent is a random noob which claims to be better than me also if he always lost against me (maybe he won a game?), which claims to be a better team-gamer but the maximum that he can offer in 2vs2/3vs3 ladder (after hundreds of partners changed ) it has some placement in top10 against mine 100% of top spot (reached first every time I have "click" the "join button".
That in the absence of arguments keeps repeating the same things like a broken disk :
CHEATER-BLACLIST-FARMER-BETTERTHANYOU-NOOB-INFANT-SLAVE-FARMER-STATS-INFLATED-CHEATS, based on? in his complex of inferiority i guess....after some answers becomes tedious and ridiculous!

####TOWARDS 100% STATS AND THEN TO INFINITY AND BEYOND....!!!!

what?


(also btw <3 Aerial Assault)

This is a great idea :):) ....although the entertainment of the thread also depend from your rival-interlocutor, at "our times" there were prepared opponents as you (in my case), szeweningen , myhandisonfire and some others who base their speeches on the facts ,now the best that I can have as an opponent is a random noob which claims to be better than me also if he always lost against me (maybe he won a game?), which claims to be a better team-gamer but the maximum that he can offer in 2vs2/3vs3 ladder (after hundreds of partners changed ) it has some placement in top10 against mine 100% of top spot (reached first every time I have "click" the "join button".
That in the absence of arguments keeps repeating the same things like a broken disk :
CHEATER-BLACLIST-FARMER-BETTERTHANYOU-NOOB-INFANT-SLAVE-FARMER-STATS-INFLATED-CHEATS, based on? in his complex of inferiority i guess....after some answers becomes tedious and ridiculous!

####TOWARDS 100% STATS AND THEN TO INFINITY AND BEYOND....!!!!

And... how does this relate to the topic of this thread, which is: Gargamel, Ale and others gaming the coin-system?