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Trump's Budget Plan: 5/30/2017 10:52:46


Ranek
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trump's proposed budget plan includes vast and dramatic cuts for social, scientific, agricultural, justice, labor, environmental, commerce and transportation departments, to name just a few. the only beneficiary seems to be the military and the most wealthiest families in the country.

after he showed his real intentions, how could someone (from the 99% disadvantaged citizens) still appreciate his reign?
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/30/2017 11:08:54


Japanball
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He's also cutting education, which is why you wrote "most wealthiest"
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/30/2017 11:39:28


master of desaster 
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Yeah that's what this thread is about kid. An english grammar mistake committed by a german.

Nice to see what trumps plans are for real after he promised everything possible depending on his audience.
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/30/2017 12:10:12


Castle Bravo
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Waaaaahhh how can people POSSIBLY think different than ME???
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/30/2017 12:36:22


Ranek
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He's also cutting education, which is why you wrote "most wealthiest"

Fortunately I'm from Germany and am not effected by American education cuts..

Wir können uns aber auch gern auf deutsch unterhalten, wenn dir meine Rechtschreibfehler in deiner Muttersprache Schwierigkeiten bereiten.
Bist du der Meinung, dass der neue Haushaltsplan dir oder nennen wir es mal deinesgleichen zu Gute kommt?

Edited 5/31/2017 01:39:21
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/30/2017 12:53:14


Japanball
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I take Spanish, not German
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/30/2017 14:15:54


Buns157 
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Meh, just troll responses as expected from the typical off topic crowd. It would be more interesting to read responses from people who still support trump answering the question OP asked.
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/30/2017 14:35:48


[REGL] Pooh 
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I'm not a trump supporter, but I'll give it a go.

"after he showed his real intentions, how could someone (from the 99% disadvantaged citizens) still appreciate his reign?"

From the very start, aren't all men created equal? How could 99% of a population be disadvantaged?

Lets go back to the source document, the Constitution.

The Constitution creates the Federal government and the people have granted the Federal Government limited enumerated powers. Unless the Constitution permits the Federal government to do something, the Federal government should not be doing that thing.

Over time, the Necessary and Proper, Taxing and Spending, and Interstate Commerce clauses have become perverted, permitting the Federal Government to regulate all parts of our lives.

You love Obama-care (and the AHCA for that matter)? Really, you think that the Federal Government should mandate that you provide purchase a product from another private party? What's next, I have to buy a retirement fund from one of the big banks? I have to buy a gym membership to Fitness 19 so I can stay healthy and not be a drain on the healthcare system? These are very logical extensions of the precedent set by Obamacare. If Congress passes a law for you to buy a product, you have to buy that product or be forced to pay a penalty.

So, do I love Trump? No. How can I support him? Because in 2016, the top 2 contenders were Trump and Hillary, who would have been more of the same of big government programs and wealth distribution. Given an either/or choice, I would say, meh... Do I hate him any more now than before? No. I would say that I would like him more now because he's not doing that terrible of a job. Just people that can't think very rationally believe all of the hysteria and think he's awful.

Cuts to education: In what world does it make sense to tax the states, add a layer of administration, and redistribute the money back to the states as long as they follow the rules put in place by the upper layer of education. For one, a former Secretary of Education (Not the 'idiot' Devos) couldn't even say where the Constitution authorized the Department of Education. (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/education-secretary-cant-say-where-constitution-authorizes-education-department)

We are Trillions of dollars in debt. The only clear way to pay for that debt is to print money, which devalues everyone's currency and makes future borrowing more expensive. The government must do less. I only wish that Trump's budget would have included massive cuts in defense spending as well. But alas, he can't be perfect, can he? We have to stop spending now. Good places to start? How about places that the Federal Government shouldn't be in the first place.
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/30/2017 14:47:19


Castle Bravo
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Why waste time trying to have a legit discussion on OT. You need a proper format for that. I tried arguing once but it just gets buried in 1000 shitposts.

Also why waste time trying to talk to Ranek when he just ignores people with opposing views. This cuck ignores all my responses and blacklisted me over some stupid map criticism.
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/30/2017 14:48:44


[REGL] Pooh 
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@CB, just wait until he copies software from someone and adds your name to a block list, that's when you know you have won the argument.

Edit: Or that you were engaging in an intellectual debate with someone that brought knife (presumably because that's all they are capable of) to a gunfight.

Edited 5/30/2017 14:53:00
- downvoted post by GeneralPE
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/30/2017 16:32:18


Bart Simpson
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You're disgusting.
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/30/2017 18:29:10


BUFFALO
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im glad cut all those socialist failing programs down
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/30/2017 18:55:12

[WOLF]Andrew
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Well, seeing as he's brainwashed the very poor people( he's cutting education because-let me think- he once said "I love uneducated people") that voted for him, they won't notice that HE'S the one cutting their government aid.

Edited 5/30/2017 18:55:46
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/30/2017 21:17:40


OxTheAutist 
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From the very start, aren't all men created equal? How could 99% of a population be disadvantaged?
You're joking, right? Just because it says on a piece of paper that all men are created equal doesn't mean that they are. That's as dumb as a piece of paper saying that there's a zombie carpenter awaiting for you in a magic club in the skies for when you die.

More seriously, American social mobility and income inequality are terrible. Poor families have a harder time getting by compared to the top 1% income bracket, so of course they're disadvantaged compared to those who are massively more wealthy than them. America has it worse than most western nations too. Compared to northern and western Europe, America fares badly in income inequality & social mobility.
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/30/2017 21:29:46


{rp} eisenheim
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23BJNveKMRI&t

George Carlin (One of the few genuinely sane political commentators to come from America) said of the American socio-political situation back in the 80's:
'This is the best we can do folks, this is what we have to offer. Its what our system produces. Garbage in. Garbage out.'

Trump is America personified. Supposedly thinks they have the moral high ground, thinks they are great, thinks they are justified in whatever course of action they take. A country that has wrought horrors upon all humanity for the duration of its existence. I am not sure what the big shock is.

Edited 5/30/2017 21:30:45
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/30/2017 23:14:17


Clint Eastwood 
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He's also cutting education, which is why you wrote "most wealthiest"

And your German is better?
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/30/2017 23:38:03


Benjamin628 
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Coming from the Libertarian point of view this is partially good. I agree that most of the things he cut should have been cut. Private Enterprise always reigns supreme.

However, to feed more money into the corrupt military industrial complex is an act of tyranny.

I don't think the VA needs any more money. Like the head of the VA shouldn't be making an insane amount of money.

Hopefully this does not pass, I'd much rather have (even as a Libertarian) spending on science, agriculture, and environmental.

Honestly, in order to drive down our debt to a manageable amount (50-60% of GDP) we have to get the fuck out of the Middle East, and cut an amount of our budget across the border every year (1% of the whole budget is 40 Billion)
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/31/2017 01:07:53


Castle Bravo
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You're disgusting.


Lmao deal with it pleb
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/31/2017 05:49:00


Japanball
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Sorry, Ranek, didn't realise that English was your sixth or seventh language because of how good non-US education is
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/31/2017 06:04:37


{Canidae} Kretoma 
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Maybe you could explain what is wrong about "most wealthiest". Doesn't it mean "people with the highest amount of money"?
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/31/2017 06:11:59


Clint Eastwood 
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Well, considering Ranek's native language is German, I see nothing wrong with it. He got his point across, and no one has a right to criticize him unless their German is better than his English.

Now, if you're being technical--the problem with "most wealthiest" is that the "most" is redundant. Wealthiest already means "most wealthy," so saying "most wealthiest" would be like saying "most most wealthy." You would either say "most wealthy," or simply "wealthiest."

Edited 5/31/2017 06:12:21
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/31/2017 16:50:35


Ranek
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oh boy =D thanks though. now I got the issue. even though it is no perfect use of the superlative, at least it helps to distinguish the wealthiest part of the society - which is the part with the most wealth among the wealthiest; the most wealthiest part... =D as this is already off-topic I'd like to elaborate this issue. why did this tiny mistake trigger you? and isnt it a proof for your lack of knowledge about this topic or how to have a proper conversation?

From the very start, aren't all men created equal? How could 99% of a population be disadvantaged?


this is not about creation and even if it was, men are obviously not equal. this is about constitutionally disadvantages. However you have to agree, that not everyone can be a billionaire. there must be laborers for every work, whether it is good or bad payed. otherwise the society would collapse. the question is now, should have one part of the society a great advantage over the others. should they 'legally' exploit society?

you think that the Federal Government should mandate that you provide purchase a product from another private party?


what else are taxes good for? they help to stabilize society. if you dont have welfare you will simultaneously evolve vast parts with an uncertain existential basis. and you can easily consider what happens with those people [they wont simply vanish].. however those private parties could easily be non-profit companies.

I would say that I would like him more now because he's not doing that terrible of a job.


not that terrible? is that how a president should do his job?

Just people that can't think very rationally believe all of the hysteria and think he's awful.


first of all what exactly isnt rational about that? this is not about believe, you can easily judge when you listen to trump and see him in action. next to him g.w.bush, berlusconi and erdogan look like proficient and competent statesmen. there is a good reason why he is the global laughing stock since he appeared in the US politics.
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/31/2017 20:42:52


Von Jewburg
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Very few people, at least where I live are happy with it.

By the way, how do you feel about Merkel saying Europe needs to find its own path?
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/31/2017 22:17:00


Ranek
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how do you feel about Merkel saying Europe needs to find its own path?


It's a logic response to Trump's 'America first'.
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/31/2017 22:33:33


Genghis 
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I think trump is an pretty cool guy. He builds walls and doesn't afraid of anything.
Trump's Budget Plan: 5/31/2017 22:43:52


Rikku 
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He's also cutting education

I have no problem with this , American spending per child for education is one of the highest in the world while producing lackluster results comparatively.
Trump's Budget Plan: 6/3/2017 14:56:36


Major General Smedley Butler
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what else are taxes good for? they help to stabilize society. if you dont have welfare you will simultaneously evolve vast parts with an uncertain existential basis. and you can easily consider what happens with those people [they wont simply vanish].. however those private parties could easily be non-profit companies.

Gibsmedatipalism, social democracy, Neoconomics, etc is the favored economic mode of the elite because it stifles innovation amongst the lower classes, keeps down entrepreneurial spirit and makes society obedient to and dependent on the state.
Trump's Budget Plan: 6/3/2017 15:19:29


Ranek
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right smedley, but society dont need to be a capitalistic.^^ but indeed the extreme evolution of capitalism is tyranny.

Edited 6/3/2017 15:19:58
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