^ the only person on forums I've ever called a bitch and will stand by it. You have such utter disrespect. At least Zap argues his stance, you just insult.

Such utter disrespect

That's right.

@Tori:

Shut up, Emily, don't fucking engage with me. Go get 'made to penetrate' someone with your flaccid or otherwise cock, then go get raped. Compare the two experiences and report back. Prick.

Are you sure you want equality? I don't have the personal experience needed to compare the two kinds of rape, but you certainly have neither. Without better knowledge, you just say that women being raped is horrible (according to feminist theory, raping a woman is worse than murdering her), and at the same time, you have utter disrespect for men who are victims of rape.

I don't see any relevant difference in seriousness of a man or a woman being raped. It happens a bit differently, but the end result is forcing to sex against one's will is still the result. In some cases, the boy being raped has even been forced to pay alimony to the woman who raped him.

Please inform me as to why you think raping a woman is worse than raping a man.

Also, do you find it good that in the current legislation, rape (of women) has the burden of proof reversed?

@Zap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA

What do you see here? Do you see a sad, misogynistic neckbeard guy who has never had relevant contact with the opposite sex? I, in any case, see a woman who is happily married and has children (according to herself), a woman that does not hate women, and who still strongly opposes feminism. She also explains why.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdKhLfyYYGo&list=TLJxu5ae8sbqMgdqrFXGuMY-_d6eTLPedb

Here, I see two men and one woman talking about problems that are related to mainstream (radical) feminism. You probably see two men and an alien from outer space, as you have clearly stated that no "real" woman would ever say a single critical word about feminism.

Apart from this ad hom and a few straw men, did you actually have something to say? :D

Tori, PM me? :)

Really though, massive, massive respect to your disrespect. Such passion. Love it.

Apart from this ad hom and a few straw men, did you actually have something to say? :D

Yes. You don't understand what straw man means. Even though every single one of your responses to me has been a straw man argument, and in the most transparent way I have ever seen. In fact you are doing it in that very quote.

Also, it isn't possible for me to make ad hominem arguments, since I'm not arguing with you, I'm making fun of you.

I don't see any relevant difference in seriousness of a man or a woman being raped. It happens a bit differently, but the end result is forcing to sex against one's will is still the result.

There's no difference between crucifying somebody and turning off a life support machine while a person sleeps. The end result is forcing to death against one's will is still the result.

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You have utter disrespect for men who are victims of rape...Please inform me as to why you think raping a woman is worse than raping a man.

And you accuse someone else of building strawmen?

You still didn't answer her. Dodging the question?

I'm sure M can defend theirself just fine. Are you in lawlz, lawlz?

What happened here?

@Tori:

And you accuse someone else of building strawmen?

You think it's disgusting to say that men are being raped as often as women. When I provide you with proof, you say it's ridiculous to compare men and women being raped, as women being raped is so much more severe. You fail to give any explanation as to why this is. It's not unfair to say that you utterly disrespect male rape victims.

So you don't want to comment on my above questions? I'm not surprised...

@Zap: Well don't argue but troll if you feel like it :)

I didn't say any of those things you massive freak.

You are taking the fucking piss out of victims of rape and sexual abuse when you use mention of them as part of your shady and deceitful tactics to manipulate people's opinions on feminism, and seriously undermining the horrors of male rape when you equate it with being made to penetrate. You've nit-picked your way through data concerning real people's ordeals and selected the figures that best support your position and wilfully misrepresented the facts and figures that you have to hand to further your own ends. That's fucking disrespect.

The only person I'm disrespecting is you, and that's fine cos you're a nasty little shit.

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If anybody is a man, it looks like Tori would be.

@Tori:

If you find yourself on the same team as someone who says that men are raped as often as women, it's time to take a step back and have a little think.

Question 1: Did you say that or did you not?

Shut up, Emily, don't fucking engage with me. Go get 'made to penetrate' someone with your flaccid or otherwise cock, then go get raped. Compare the two experiences and report back. Prick.

Question 2: Did you say that or did you not?

I said those things. These are some things you attributed to me on the grounds of me saying those two things:

1. You think raping a woman is worse than raping a man.
2. You think it's disgusting to say that men are being raped as often as women.
3. You say it's ridiculous to compare men and women being raped, as women being raped is so much more severe.
4. It's not unfair to say that you utterly disrespect male rape victims.

I haven't directly responded to any of this because it's tacky and rude as hell to argue about this kind of thing, but seeing as you're being such an incredible asshole about it, here you go.

1. I don't think it's worse when a woman gets raped than when a man gets raped; I think it's worse when someone gets raped than when someone is made to penetrate.
2. I don't think it's 'disgusting' to say that men are being raped as often as women, I think it's wrong.
3. I haven't said that it's ridiculous to compare male and female rape, nor that female rape is more severe. When I talk about rape, I am not excluding male rape. I am excluding anyone that's been forced to penetrate another, mainly because that's not what 'rape' means.
4. It really is.

Then I ask you again: what is essentially worse in "forcibly penetrating" than in "being forced to penetrate", perhaps under threat of violence? So much worse that it justifies the first allegiation being treated as guilty until proven innocent plus a much harsher sentence, and the second one as a more "normal crime", with innocent until proven guilty and a much less severe punishment?

The only real difference I see is that only men can be accused of the former because women don't have penises. Peculiar that feminist legislators, that you think are egalitarians, don't take issue with this clear discrimination based on gender.

What if a women used a strap-on to forcibly penetrate the man's anus?

Isn't rape really about violence rather than sex?

I found a shorter and less offense way to make my point:

Are there differences between men and women? Yes.

Should they be equal before the law? Yes.

Is there a difference between "rape" and "forced to penetrate"? Yes.

Are they acts of sexual violence that are equally cruel and should be punished? Yes.

Case closed on that issue, moving on, how about someone make a guide to getting men and women laid so they can get rid of all their sexual tension? Like Barney said, all major incidents can be traced back to sexual tension :P

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Are there differences between men and women? Yes.

Should they be equal before the law? Yes.

Is there a difference between "rape" and "forced to penetrate"? Yes.

Are they acts of sexual violence that are equally cruel and should be punished? Yes.

Are these the questions that were being debated? I thought it was just Emanly repeating obviously false assertions and then responding to points that people never made. With a little 'male genital mutilation' thrown in for good measure and no apparent reason. Oh yeah, and "MALE RAPE" HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FEMINISM.

Like Barney said, all major incidents can be traced back to sexual tension :P

Barney and Friends has changed since I last saw it.

This debate has followed the typical format, though rape is usually mentioned before circumcision (maybe it was, I'm not going back to check).

Honestly, I've had enough of debating who's worse for society. I've heard radical feminism described as the "vocal minority" or in other words a small group of women screaming at the top of their cyber-lungs.

I've only met 2-3 radical feminists in my time and I didn't even have to say anything to them, because the girls around me took care of it. Women aren't scary and they're not trying to rule the world, most of them just want to be respected (ask Lawlz for a definition if you need it).

I live by my set of principles and enough women seem to be fine with what they are, so I'm not gonna bitch.

If women really start lynching men in the streets for having a penis, then I'll move to another country and let them build their utopia. As long as there's a place on this planet I can live in peace and take care of my own family I don't see why I need to take to arms and start a resistance.

If women really start lynching men in the streets for having a penis, then I'll move to another country and let them build their utopia. As long as there's a place on this planet I can live in peace and take care of my own family I don't see why I need to take to arms and start a resistance.

What?

Honestly, I've had enough of debating who's worse for society.

That's what we've been debating??

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http://prospect.org/article/good-mens-rights-movement-hard-find

And ironically, from that article I find what Emanly could not provide: http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/09/living/chris-brown-female-on-male-rape/

Or maybe, he just didn't want to provide it, since it contains these interesting tidbits:

'According to a 2010 report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, nearly 1 in 5 women and 1 in 71 men in the United States have been raped.'

and

'"Whenever you talk about male survivors, women have it statistically worse, but it's not a competition -- and we each need our time to talk about it," [a male victim of rape] says.'

Maybe now you will stop using the suffering of real people as a stick to beat feminists with. Especially since, as the first link will tell you, the same feminists who campaign for rape also campaign about male rape. Meanwhile you just sit around spewing hatred on internet forums and do nothing for the issues about which you feign concern.

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