@Moros yeah, that true. i tried to say that i HOPE NL will win, but i didn't say that with so much words

If I were to bet a winner, I think it would be easier to pick who won't win.

Well, I'm from Poland so I can say it won't be Poland no matter how much I'd like it. Anyway I think that group matches in Germany/Portugal/Netherlands group will give us a better view on where they stand., although on last Euro Netherlands had the most brilliant run through group phase only to lose to Russia later (the difference in their level of play in different phases was very weird...). Germany also was not performing that well in recent friendly games, thus Spain remains the favourite to claim the title...

Yeah, the group B is truly a pain in the ass for everybody in that group.

BTW. I don't think Spain will get the title, see what happened with Barcelona players, they won everything they could won and now they're lacking motivation.

Germany will win it

Spain..... For sure

|> I wouldn't write off Spain or The Netherlands.

Just so long as we won't end up in a game together... I'm still thoroughly ashamed by our players' need to do a 90-minute re-enactment of the [Eighty Years' War](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighty_Years%27_War). :s Thank god they at least got the outcome wrong; I wouldn't want our first WC victory to forever be on the books as *that* disgraceful excuse for a sports game (and no, I don't care about Cruijff's "Soccer is War", since I don't believe for one second he meant it literally).

|> But the best possible final would be NL-Germany

Only if we win this time! :p

I'm going to go **WAY** out on a limb here and choose Croatia. Not because I'm a Spurs fan, (because actually I'm getting kind of pissed about Modric's attitude lately) but because I actually think they have a great shot at winning it. Of course Spain and the Netherlands will do well (I believe England will fail miserably) but I think Croatia's offence is going to be surprisingly good, and it will help them beat some tough teams that aren't going to be expecting a fight. That's my take. Croatia.

I think spain or netherlands will win.

Greetings from germany :-(

Spain will have an issue offensively. I still think they're favorites to win, but without Villa, they lack a true high class attacker. Sure, Llorente and Pedro are good, but not good enough. Unless Torres decides that's it's time to come back to playing soccer and not whatever elementary school sport he's been playing for the past 2 years, Spain will have offensive issues. Not to mention Puyol is difficult to replace in the back.

Although my money is still on Spain, I think the toughest opposition they will face will be Germany. Through Bayern, the German backline proved itself a significant force, having only conceded something like 22 goals in the league. With the likes of Schweinsteiger, Muller, Ozil, Kroos, etc. controlling the middle as well as the counter attack, germany will be a deadly force. Add Gomez, who basically puts in whatever ball is given to him within the box, as well as Klose and Podolski, and with Neuer in goal you have a powerhouse.

Netherlands/Germany! YOu know you have an excellent team when they beat Brazil in the 2010 cup.

england are totally fucked, which is why i have a faint sense of hope that they do well. theyre a ragtag bunch of misfits, who no-one believes in, so the stage is set for an underdog triumph.

but in the vast probability that they do shit, spain and germany look strong. it will be exciting to watch, though.

|> when they beat Brazil in the 2010 cup.

I know, that game was the most emotional game of my life :) Before, everyone thought it would be lost, and we were happy we left for the pause only one goal behind. And in the second half, suddenly, a score for the Netherlands! We thought Brazil was going to get angry for that, and they did, and got a bunch of cards, and 15 minutes later we made another goal! We only managed to keep the advance until the end, and every Dutchmen was sure Oranje was going to win this!
In the excitement we barely noticed we got two goals against us against Uruguay in the semifinals, but won it and got through. We heard some German said something like "We'll see you at the final!", but they lost from Spain and got to beat Uruguay later. But then, NL-Spain. There is a popular highway in the Netherlands, the A2, and normally it's packed with cars. But somebody took a picture of it during the final, and it was completely empty! Over half of the Dutch population watched the game, and stared at the screen for 115 minutes with a few good chances, but no actual goals. Sadly, both teams made a lot of trespassings, NL the most :( And then, after two extensions, a goal that was like a gun shot in the minds of every Dutchman watching.
A bunch of newspapers said things like "We were fooled again", and about that we would get our revenge in 2012. And now, it's finally time, and Oranje hasn't played was bad as this in two years :,(

Sorry for the emotions, this is a sensitive subject.

The Netherlands have an excellent team but I hope they clean up their act, they just kicked teams off the pitch last time around. De Jong and Van Bommel were especially bad for that.

x did you not read my posts england have no chance when they played norway if they had been playing a good team e.g.spain, france or even switzerland they would have lost because in the 2nd half england were useless and that is being kind p.s.well done to the swiss for beating germany 5-3 in a friendly,if they had qualified they would have had a good chance as they are a very good team with good players but are in consistant

I don't think Spain will win. I hope The Netherlands win, but I'm afraid that Germany will win. However The Netherlands are doing the worst things (1-2 loss from Bulgaria), Germany isn't doing well either. (their latest result was 3-5 loss from Switzerland)
(I live in the Netherlands, so I'll support them).
The semi-finals will be exciting.
It will be Germany, Spain, The Netherlands (maby Portugal if the dutch screw up a game)and I think it will be Italy (After: Spain, The Netherlands and Germany the best team). So the world's best teams against eachother in wich it would be Germany against Italy (If Italy makes it so far and Germany becomes first) and The Netherlands against Spain (If Spain wins (they will) and if The Netherlands become second in their pole).
Maby it is becaue I'm dutch but I think The Netherlands deserve to win that game.
The best final would be (and there is a big possibility that it will happen)
Germany - The Netherlands. I hope The Netherlands win, but there is a big change Germany will become European Football Champion

All I can say is: *Hup Holland!*
I'm rooting for the Elftal. I really can't stand this hype around the Nationalelf anymore. Every idiot - and I mean every single one of them, even people that couldn't give two shits about club football - around here keeps on talking like they have always been an expert and a die-hard football fan about any inane TV snipped from training camp and how "Schweini" might or might not be out of form and if and how the lost CL final will impact the performance of the whole team and on and on and on. I seriously hope Germany get's knocked out in the group stage.

No one is giving a **** about the dogs killed in ukrain :/

@Red: You're right, nobody cares.
Stop trying to hijack the thread.

I think Germany will win. :D