Everyone (except Aranka) put Apex at 1st place (or 1st ex aequo), sweet :D

Rankings are about clan strength at the moment, or overall / average throughout the last year or so?

If we look at longer time interval, I think WM should be first, without any doubt.
It have most players that reached 1st spot in the 1vs1 ladder, more than any other clan, and in total they hold 1st spot for the longest period of time. No other clan occupied spots 1-4 on the 1vs1 ladder, and top 2 at 2vs2 ladder. And WM maintain very high average level since more than 2 years, longer than any currently existing top clan.

If we talk only about current situation, I have no idea which clan is the best. I would say that best five seems to be: Ahol, Apex, Relite, WG, WM.

1-2 Apex, WM

These two groups are really too close to distinguish much. I do know if I'm playing matches I'm more scared if I see an apex name come up than if I see a WM clan. I've been in both groups and if I had to pick I would think that WM might have one or two better players, but as a group apex would take the cake. Either way, they are too close to choose between.

3-4 AHoL, Relite

These groups play very differently and have different levels of activity. AHoL was created as a bunch of drunkards and a-holes so it's surprising they all ended up being as good as they are. I love the group though, wouldn't trade them for anything. Relite has good players and very bad PR. Relite overall is a good group though, I wouldn't discount them in the least because of their public relations people. AHoL on the other hand pulled off a surprising (and awesome for us) third place in the clan league, coming in first in the 3v3 tournament and a couple second places in others.

5-6 [WG], REGL

I don't especially know either of these groups well. I know WG has at least a few good players and more above average than not. REGL has their CS team which has good players in it, though they have also recruited (from what I remember last I checked them out) from the other end of the spectrum. I would be interested to see how they fared against each other in a clan battle. The CS team from REGL recently played against us and we edged them out but it's not like they just laid down and took a beating. We had to do everything we could to beat them.



Of course these are just my opinion but I feel it is a valid one. The groups are honestly too close which is why I ranked them in groups of two. On any given day I would say that most members of either group could beat most of the other group. Even between my groupings I believe that on any day members from AHoL or Relite could take most apex or WM players, but in a longevity contest with many many games, I believe they would end up close to this.

I'm excited to see where the clan league takes all the groups this year and what the final rankings will be.

Noobschool - WM has come a long way from when you were in it.. nevertheless i agree with most you say and in 1v1 i'm usually more afraid of apex. in teamgames - it depends - i would say WM. but both clans have their favourite templates and game types and both consist of very good players.. i would not dare to say we have only two ;)

oh boy, this is WL politics at its best... hahahhahaha

RSP challenges FBG, VIW, Warlighters, REGL, WL and CPU to clan war,any takers?

actually take out VIW and Warlighers, we already played (and beat you) before. ;)

FBG, REGL, WL players want to play?

I agree pretty much with Noobschool for the most part, although the assumption "though they have also recruited (from what I remember last I checked them out) from the other end of the spectrum" is somewhat true, but a little off the mark. We have recruited some members from the lower end of the spectrum, but most of our members that we've recently recruited are more "average". Some are at the low end (although they understand the game and can play well enough), but then there are also those like Nich who have proven that they can compete at a higher level.

REGL is regrettably going through some issues of low activity, especially in our CS division, so we won't be able to accept new challenges at this time. We plan on being able to compete more in the near future.

we have 3 players, maybe you guys can field 3 players too and we have a few games? I played a few 3v3s against entire CS teams not long ago, maybe i can talk to them?

let me guess, the three players, pulsey, pulsey, and pulsey?

i'd love to, but its z-dog, me and superhuge

Yeah, sure. Invite me to a game and I'll get a team set up

Results of over a year ago do not promise anything for current strength.
So the explanation of Noobschool and Widsisz doesn't make sense.
If you want to look at modern results it's actually

1+2) Relite and Apex
3) WM
4) The rest

We'll be open to challenges against Apex and AHOL:
5 1vs1 games worth 1 point
3 2vs2 games worth 2 point
2 3vs3 games worth 3 points
Total score of 17, so first to 9 wins.

For the most representive kind of play it would be nice to get as many people to play. This also functions to give a better image about the depth of a team.

*I think that AHOL will prove more challenging then the average apex player in team games (excluding 2 or 3). Would be interesting to see how that pans out

@Those arguing Relite lacks depth in their team.
The 14-3 win against WM featured more then 10 different Relite players. Even the bad apples in our alliance (I presume that would include me seeing public opinion) all played and managed to gain an acceptable 8-1 result (some in team games).

Aranka's relite 'patriotism' at its finest.

no offense at all, aranka, but there are a few players in your clan that actually SUCK, i think Chris is right here. :P the average WG > avergae Relite

It's an open challenge regardless.
Apex and AHOL are welcome to disregard it if they so choose, although that would be sort of a pity seeing as everyone at least agrees we belong in the top 3 or could contend to be in the top 3.

Now that we're not in team A in the clan league (which caused some debate) we won't be able to prove it this year.
Personally I would advise Apex and AHOL to decline the clan challenge though.
Since although it would appear fearful, at least you avoid the risk of the WM challenge outcome :)

I would advise them to decline the challenge too, it would save the forum from more of your clan patriotism, though i guess its a good source of humour

@ Pulsey - Wait......Have I not won all my games against you ??

So far you've only shown me proof you've defeated 2 or 3 Relite members 1x.
That hardly seems like the type of evidence to claim these players suck.

I played Malamute and others and because some of their tactics didn't pan out like they wanted to it seemed like they were bad.
That doesn't lead me to conclude that they suck though........

Aranka, you'v played 1 game against me, and that was a game which i surrendered on turn 4 just becuz i couldnt be fucked to play it anymore, and the game was nowhere near over. :P but then regardless, yes, you have a game won over me.

Mostly when people respond by saying they couldn't be "fucked to play it anymore" means that inherently they realized they were losing.

Post the game here for others to judge if you don't mind

nah, if you play a lot with me, you'll find that i tend to ragequit even when i'm winning crushing victories...
that game was too long ago, i cbf to find it, but if you want to post it to show everyone how good you are because you beat a 15 year old in a 3v3 game, go ahead...
gotta go, dont wait for me to reply.