Aranka, since apex is democratic clan i am waiting responses for your challenge. But I am almost sure everybody will accept.

I accept your challenge. But of course, since you are the challenger i am to purpose the method.
3 players playing 3 players (9 games) in 1v1 worth 1 point
2 teams of 2v2 playing the other (4 games) in 2v2 worth 2 points
2 teams of 3v3 playing the other (4 games) in 2v2 worth 2 points

total 25 points

And Aranka, your advice is empty, because it does not reach us, there at least 7 players that has never seen even once a situation where he is beat by something of 1-5. And we played every player in every tournament. More often than not we must play a player of our own team to beat one another to finally have apex defeated.
So unless Relite is running a underground warlight scene, where all the best players are planning as to how to hide their skill, we would never back off challenge and I dont think we will never seen the situation you purpose since history tought us otherwise.

This method would just allow a singular group of players to determine the whole team.

I would be willing to play more games but allowing a limited number of players to play almost all the games won't give a fair representation of the depth of an alliance.

Why not make it
4 players playing 4 players 2x in different template 1vs1 (1 strat, 1 guiroma ??)
2 teams of 2vs2 might be fine - won't change it there
3 different teams of 3vs3 playing the other worth 2 points

Total 22 points
--> In case of a 12-12 draw we could do a 9th 1vs1 match by the respective "champions" of either clan in 1vs1 strat

i wont have 9 players, i dont see why we should be obligated to present X number of players.

About guiroma, i am against, but a few players might be for it.
the ladders settings + 3v3 random warlord nc is the most played templates, therefore the must fair.

I think I perhaps might be in favour of guiroma. Good girl, Aranka!

According to the unofficial Apex website which was updated 5 days ago you seem to have 5 members.
I don't know how valid this update is but breaching my own memory in the subject I would say it gives a fair representation.
Now I know some of those players might not be willing and/or inactive but I'm sure with such an active group of players you should be able to get at least 7 different players to play.

Only thing I'm saying is that there's no real point in a clan tournament if a group of 3 people take up more then 70% of all the games.
We need a fair division.

Dunga
Widzisz
Frank
Brisk
JSA
Grona
Me
Noobschool

Probably won't be able to do it:
Huruey
Luxis

Could we have a complete up-to-date Relite list?

We have unofficial website?? Didn't knew about it, mind sharing a link?

Probably won't be able to do it:
Huruey
Luxis

Huruey is semi-active lately, Luxis is on vacation, JSA is retiring(again), and soon I might leave for holidays for a bit too.
So, in case we accept this challenge, I would rather see it postponed a bit, if that's not a problem. But that's not a must, just my preference.

This method would just allow a singular group of players to determine the whole team.

Now I know some of those players might not be willing and/or inactive but I'm sure with such an active group of players you should be able to get at least 7 different players to play.

We have 10 players in apex at the moment. So, Apex is small team, even using 5-6 players in the challenge we rely on 50-60% of our players. So it does represent our level pretty well I think.

And honestly, I just fail to understand why 2vs2 and 3vs3 games should be worth more than 1vs1.
I would give 1 point for each game.

Dunga suggested that 2vs2 and 3vs3 be worth more himself.

Furthermore in most tournies, clan league and in national cup league team games have been worth more on average.
I think it's because in a tourney relatively less team games are played compared to 1vs1 games. Since you don't want to favour one over the other you divide the amount of points equally between both methods of play.

I like how people are putting Warlighters so low :) I noticed REGL CS and 101st Lynx were put in quite high by somebody; our Prolighters gave CS a close challenge if I remember correctly. I don't know who plays for Lynx so I can't comment on them.

Also, unlike in the past, we are recruiting more skilled players, challenging more clans, achieving more (Clan League proves this) and generally improving.

yet warlighters are probably the worse clan in terms of skill :/

I dont mind 2v2 or 3v3 worthing more than 1v1 if the 1v1 quota is much higher, and its pontuation is bigger. Right now 1v1 is total 9 points and 2v2/3v3 8 points each, so no problem

Arun, who's your best player? It used to be Warlighvet (who's retired)Polliko and someonelse can't remember is good but...who else. If you think your better than us challenge us. Lynx is pretty strong now, and could easily beat your whole clan. :)

ekstone is probably their best player now, i daresay he's better than everyone in lynx, but overall 101st average skill is higher

OMFG i still wait the day the aranka will stop bitching with "hey look at us, we won 14-3 in a SINGLE game challenge"! I respect JUPITER and i wouldn't want to act like this but you pissed me! I won with jupiter in a lot of occasion, from the best of 7, to the champions league to random 1v1 games and happened that one of the few i lost was the one in the challenge.

I understand that it may sound like a great achivement that you beat us, but...that happened, everybody knows that, there is no need to spread the word like a child! EVERY clan related thread contains a post of you yelling "we beated WM! we are the best now!don't even challenge us".

I hope that they didn't chose you as the PR of Relite on purpose, because that would be a shame.

Maybe they just did it to piss you off ? (A)

@Red - Btw, you're always open to send us another challenge if you think the 14-3 victory was a one off things.

Besides...I would never claim that because we beat you once we're now the best all of a sudden. THAT would be implying we were facing the best - an issue which hasn't been settled at all yet.

i never thought i'd do this, but, +1 to gnullberg.

Aranka, i think your skill and hostility ruin Relite's reputation.

Right now i'm open to kick your ass in every 1v1 2v2 3v3 i could play against you.

In civilized countries we don't go Vaffanculo on everyone Red.

It's just not how things are done. Make one tomorrow when I don't have to wake up early the next day and you can send me all kinds of challenges.

For now....down boy

@aranka i just realized you still havent accepted my months old 1v1 game challenge, despite me recalling you saying you'd accept it. :P