yes i agree with jsa, with no limit.
But if a lot of player want limit, let's do 6 game/7.
make 5 will make big trouble for smaller team imho.

I agree with Fridge (no player should be able to play multiple slots in the same format). If that means reducing the 2s and 3s (like JSA said), so be it. I would think you'd be able to find enough to cover everything though (I showed examples). Do people not have a 6th person, or are they just unwilling to use them because they are not 'good enough'?

It looks like 2/3 of the teams have alternates already, and you are not required to use a 6th player either (you just need 3-4 people willing to play 5 games each).

I guess I am puzzled because in the signup thread we said 4 games max per person, and we got all these people to sign up then. So I just don't see where saying 5 games max (only 1 slot per format) is an issue. Everyone agreed to more strict rules already.

you don't need 6 people and neither you do need any reduction in number of games with my idea.. 5 is enough. you CAN have more, but don't have to.

You can also stagger games if load is a problem. For example, you do not have to play all 4 1v1s at the same time, they will take much less time than the 5v5. Or stagger a person playing in 1v1 and 2v2 so they are not all going on at the same time.

I just don't think the issue is finding people able to take those turns. The issue is that it forces people to use more of their team for more games (diluting the quality unless you are a deep team). If someone can show me an example of a team that won't be able to cover their games based on that rule, I'd like to see it.

4 1v1 matchs, 2 player required
2 2v2 matchs, 2 or 4 player required
2 3v2 matchs, 3 or 6 player required
1 5v5 matchs, 5 player required.

total 9 match, 19 slot for player. total 15 points, 8 for win.
if there are no limit, one player can play:
2 1v1 games(same player cannot play 4 games, this was already rule of 2012)
2 2v2 games
2 3v3 games
1 5v5 games
so 7 games.
you want limit? ok, to 6.
5 is too hard to manage to get for a nation with only 5 player:
menas that 2 player play 5 games, and other 3 player 3 games everyone. Very hard. I know some player want play only 1 games, and if they have more free time they are ok for 2 games, but is hard get 2x5 games and 3x3 games :(
If you do this, small nation will cannot play.

4 1v1= 4 points
2 2v2= 2 points
2 3v3= 4 points
1 5v5= 3 points

13 points total so 7 points for win.

Edited 11/21/2013 16:33:40

This is the first time that I am checking this, and Great Britain won' tbe able to pitch 3 teams if there are limits. We only have 5 on each team and 2 subs waiting in case people drop out. Our 1st team uses this format for the games (letters instead of names):
4 1v1 = 2 A + 2 B
2 2v2 = 1 AC + 1 BD
2 3v3 = 1 ACE + 1 BDE
1 5v5 = 1 ABCDE

Is this really such a problem or do we need to redo our teams again?

Well, your only issue in that setup would be player E on both 3v3s.

What if we allow subs to play for any team within your nation? So if you have two GB/Ireland subs, they can play for teams 1-3. But maybe if they play more than 2 games for a team in a round, then they are considered part of that team and no longer a sub?

That's not gonna work Chris. A player needs to play on one and only one team, not 2-3. There's no way to keep players from playing 2 3v3 games if the team has only 5 people. The best you can do is to limit 5 games per person but I personally don't like that idea.

I think a better solution is to drop a 3v3 match, since you cannot field two teams of 3 with 5 players unless you overlap. Otherwise you require a 6th member for each team.

I thought we were only doing a single 2v2 and a single 3v3 up until today, which is why I proposed limiting a player to 4 games max initially.

If a player cannot play both 2v2 or 3v3, or if we put a lower limit of total games Italy will be out. Was already difficoult in this way, if we put too many limit we cannot play. Some of us don't like some setting or they don't want play more then one game. (For example i play 5v5 but i wouldn't do it).
Also i don't understand why in nation cup 2012 there wasn't problem, and now we are discussing a lot of things.

I still lack to see the problem of one player playing 2 3v3s and 1 5v5, if E played 2 1v1s, a 2v2, 2 3v3s and the 5v5 then I would see the problem, that the country is resting on that one player, but he is only playing 3 games for us, the large team ones. We were told before that 5 players per team was the right number, why have to change it now?

So that would be:

4 1v1= 4 points
2 2v2= 2 points
1 3v3= 2 points
1 5v5= 3 points

11 points total so 6 points for win.

And not allow a player to do multiple slots within the same format.

Does 4 games count the 1v1s as 2? Because then it might be better to change having 2 1v1 players to have 4 1v1 players (or 1 playing 2 and 2 playing 1 match = 3 players). I think that what we have is fine, reducing 3v3 and 2v2 to 1 would also work fine.

I agree with you Hedja/Potato. Clearly you are not riding anyone given your lineup. But it does allow for that possibility right now.

"Does 4 games count the 1v1s as 2? Because then it might be better to change having 2 1v1 players to have 4 1v1 players"

-I think you need to keep Two 1v1 players (playing two games each), because it is a mini RR. I think breaking that up would be complicated.

But then the players playing in the 1v1 wouldn't be allowed to play in the 2v2, 3v3 and 5v5? They would need to drop out of some of the team games?

So instead of what I wrote down before have:

1v1 = 2 A + 2 B
2v2 = 2 CD
3v3 = 1 CDE
4v4 = 1 ABCDE

Gnuff, would you have a problem if we just eliminated a 3v3 and kept 5 game limit?

That means you could still play all formats. It would simply not allow you to play both teams on a 2v2, that would be the only change.

Anyway, it seems odd that we are all debating this without dunga chiming in :)

You wouldn't have to change your lineup at all from before (you'd just eliminate your 2nd 3v3 team of BDE):

4 1v1 = 2 A + 2 B
2 2v2 = 1 AC + 1 BD
2 3v3 = 1 ACE + 1 BDE
1 5v5 = 1 ABCDE

OR, assuming you wanted to stack the deck the most, and A-E was your ranking of players:

4 1v1 = 2 A + 2 B
2 2v2 = 1 AC + 1 BD
1 3v3 = 1 ABC
1 5v5 = 1 ABCDE

Distribution per player:

A-5
B-5
C-3
D-3
E-1

The alternative is to keep both 3v3s and just allow a player to compete in 6 games max, limited to 2 games in 1v1.