Alex I'd like a couple of tutor games with you :) I reckon you'll be a pretty good teach ;)

And I like Photon's idea. Thanks for the suggestion of compensation Alex but I feel that would be unfair to others; to get points for nothing. If we could put forward one of our number to play every player in that RR it will be much fairer and put more competition in there.

agreed that is the best idea, if JSA agrees. I'm not sure I can teach you a lot (but I will do the best I can), as your not far away from my skill level.

Alex it feels like a mile away ;) I'd love to get into the top 30/20.

And as JSA doesn't take care of division b, maybe consulting Aranka (or whoever organised this) is best. I feel that if we get a general consensus here we should just go ahead and do it though. All we are doing is making it a little fairer :)

Well personally I think that would be sort of unfair

MC doesn't have enough active players to compensate their inactive players and I'm sure this situation also applies to other alliances if the situation would arise

I don't know what the other alliances in this competition think about it, but I would personally have some questions with regards to this idea

So far I won't put in a negative vote towards the matter just yet - for I first want to see the general consensus of others

I feel MC is a different case altogether - their numbers are too low to fill their quota. We have something like 20 players; more than enough to put in a full entry into the competition. Not to have a full entry compromises the possibility of us doing well (top 4 at least, or better). By allowing us to put in a full compliment of players, you give a clan a chance here, and increase the competition in the event (which surely can't be a bad thing).

Aranka, it's only been 2 days, but in general GG/VIW gained points and Master/101st lost points.

Personally I'd be for the change considering the rankings look like this...

 
Creating Games Allowed|Creating Games not Allowed
Rankings: Total | +/- | Total | +/- |
      GG: 07-00 | +07 | 10-00 | +10 |
Warlight: 03-00 | +03 | 05-07 | -02 |
      MC: 02-02 |  0  | 03-16 | -13 |
     VIW: 05-03 | +02 | 08-03 | +05 |
  Master: 03-05 | -02 | 06-05 | +01 | 
  Dragon: 03-04 | -01 | 06-04 | +02 |
   101st: 05-08 | -03 | 08-08 |  0  | <- I apologize for this~nya :3
      BR: 00-06 | -06 | 03-06 | -03 |

Not creating games throws Warlighter(s) into third-last, and puts MC 10 points behind seventh, something that, when I ranked them, I said would be near-impossible to make up for MC. If anything, Nyan and SamDatt are playing in the 2v2/3v3 ones also so you may as well contact them.

Edited 9/1/2013 17:11:14

If anything, Nyan and SamDatt are playing in the 2v2/3v3 ones also so you may as well contact them.

If they are MC and you mean to contact them with regards to late entries, great! I think both clans should have a chance. I also think it should be the responsibility of the said clan to create the games though (not fair to give others extra work). Should I set some up (for obvious reasons, one at a time).

What exactly does creating games have to do with the skills of a clan? Why are points partly detimired by this?

JSA created 4 1v1 Round Robin tournaments (On the first page, Arun has a post to them). Three players, Thor2323 (of Warlighter), Nyan and SamDatt (both of MC) failed to join their 1v1 Round Robin tournament.

In the last clan league points were just deducted from those teams. But Arun/Photon are suggesting that they manually create games so that the teams don't have to suffer the 7 point penalty per player for not joining the tournament.

And, yes, Nyan/SamDatt are the MC players that failed to join yet are in 2v2 and 3v3.

Arun, that creates more problems than it is worth. When you asked for bcatfish to be replaced, I asked you if you wanted someone to replace Thor too and you said he would join. I heard complaints about it taking a while to start, and so if the clan leader cannot provide a suitable replacement within the 2-3 weeks since I first invited(maybe more), that is the clan's fault and they should be punished accordingly. That's how I plan on running it. If you make a chat game with all the clan leaders of the clans in B league and have them vote (not including yourself), and they vote to let you guys make it up, then that is fine. If they vote it down, then you will have to take the few extra losses.

Lets be honest, i dont see this solution causing any further problems. The few additional organizing things(creating games, stating results) will be done by warlighters clan, so no additional efforts for anyone except the guilty clan.
Most of you has predicted us quite low, so why do you take our chance away to give you a fair competition? It cant be the fear ;)
Additionally i am for public votes, which would make the reasons for the result clearer.

Photon, Arun can post the vote chat game onto the thread here. This is up to the clan leaders, not individual members of the clan. Some clan leaders don't read the forums often.

I agree with JSA on this one he gave us ample time to join though taking awhile to respond to VIW's request he did and got that settled before starting the league, i believe that if your players didn't join in time thats your fault and likely next season you will be sure to get your players to join.

player fails to join: loses points for their clan, thats fair, having them create seperate 1v1 could lead ato problems like other player declining because they have no idea what it is for problems in settings, etc. just realize you had a player representing your clan, if they dont show, they forfeited all their games, pretty simple

Admittedly... the setting up of Group B looked like one of the worst preparations ever. Between Group A starting a lot earlier than Group B, the sudden movement of management and then combination of Groups B and C, and a bunch of adjustments being needed followed by an unexpected late start, combined with pretty much nothing posted on the forum really confused me (and probably quite a few others, too.) Heck, I had no clue which clans were in the group up until the tournament started. Granted, I (as just a normal clan member) don't need to be too informed, but we basically got no feedback at all until it suddenly started.

If the setting up of Group B wasn't so slammed together, I'd tell Arun to just take the -7 because it was his/Thor's fault that a Warlighter didn't join the tournament. But, as it is, a good part of the blame has to do with the fact that Group B was set up pretty badly.

i disagree, i agree it was set up terribly, but when the tourneys were created and waiting for people to join, it was fine, if someone didnt join and the clan leader didnt supply a replacement then they shouldnt have a chance to do it now

I feel that you will find setting up stuff is not as easy as you think when you try it :) I had much less time on my hands than I have had in the past, along with very little participation from the Group B and C leaders, it was very hard to get lineups and find out who else to invite if someone declined. Pushover especially, but also Apollo and Aranka, helped find the lineups for the clans in Group B, which was very helpful. I apologize for the poor setup this season, I feel like I did the best with what I had to work with though. Next season, I plan on giving the leadership of the clan league to a different player, preferrably Chris (he will do a good job and is very committed to clans), or Pushover (he was very quick at getting lineups for Group B this season). Apollo and Arun, among others would also be possible options if Pushover and Chris are not able, but I feel they are not great organizers and would not be as fast and well organized as Chris or Pushover.

Ok, I'll just have to set up a game with clan leaders. I feel that by opposing it, you are taking away from the league. By allowing a full team from each clan, you ONLY add to it - there are no negatives. Is more competition a bad thing? I don't think so. Would other clans prefer to beat someone due to their 7 point deficit, or by beaing them in a much closer and competitive tournament? I believe most would prefer the second option.

Could someone give me the names of the clan leaders?

Edited 9/2/2013 10:56:40

Arun, I've giving you the oppurtunity to do it if the clan leaders agree. If I was fully opposed, I would not even give you that option. I feel like you should go with the popular vote and if 4/7 of the other clans say they are fine with it, then you are correct with your guess on the second option and you will be allowed to do it.

the posts here are too damn long.

seriously guys!