ok. so do you just want me and myhand to argue this out indefinitely? Have you watched past wolves games? When two strong willed players who are convinced that they are each right get into one of these dust ups, they either agree to settle down and let the rest of the village have a turn thinking or one winds up dead. We've seen this time and time again and usually both players turn out to be villagers...so yeah, maybe we should let cooler heads prevail instead of myself (or myhand) constantly trying to spin every comment to their own side. I mean seriously, I've been a pretty crafty wolf before in these games under Dom365. Would a pretty crafty wolf really draw this much attention to himself this early in the game? All I'm saying is that this turn doesn't have to end with myself or myhand being lynched. And as far as trying too hard...you realize this is myhand trying to get me lynched, right? I kind of have to try hard seeing as he's kinda known as a somewhat persuasive speaker (even when he's wrong) and the highest and best thing I can do for the village at the moment is to prevent the village from trying to lynch a villager (me).

Edited 12/19/2014 03:55:25

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Telling someone to give less information to the group is stupid for the village. You two don't have to go at it if you don't want to, but don't tell him not to talk to other people.

I don't think you're a witch, even though you don't seem to be helping the village. Could be just trying to make it seem too obvious for anybody to actually bother with you though.

(I'm dead already? That poses serious consequences for the witches)

I honestly would have no problem at all with lynching you even if you are villager!
As a simple villager you are not really significant. And what you are doing here is very much sabotaging the village. You are causing much more harm than good.

I want to see you lynched because the likelihood of you being a witch is pretty DAMN high. With no word you explained to us why it was so important that you wanted to vote first.
Instead you go head on with the outed seer. The one that was about to be killed by a CONFIRMED witch and the one that wanted everyon to bundle all the remaining votes on that said witch!

From the village perspective we have no other choice but to lynch you.

"I honestly would have no problem at all with lynching you even if you are villager!"

um...what?

"As a simple villager you are not really significant"

this is a numbers game. EVERY villager is significant.

"And what you are doing here is very much sabotaging the village. You are causing much more harm than good."

Um...you are not confirmed. How is questioning you sabotage or causing harm?

"With no word you explained to us why it was so important"

I never said it was important for me to get first vote. I've only ever said it is important that you NOT get first vote.

"you go head on with the outed seer"

nope. not an outed seer. A CLAIMED AND UNVERIFIED seer. Sorry, is this an outright lie then? I mean, you're not exactly known for misspeaking or making verbal gaffes...

" be killed by a CONFIRMED witch and the one that wanted everyon to bundle all the remaining votes on that said witch!

lol. Why are you trying to tie me to Semice like I agreed with him? I was an early voter on him. lol. That's an interesting tactic. In fact if you check the order of things, I voted against Semice (albeit ignorantly) BEFORE you called for your vote bundle. In fact, I was the second voter on Semice.

"we have no other choice but to lynch you"

What? No other choices? Really? Only like 4 people have commented on the new day and we're already out of choices? I just don't understand this hard sell. Especially the lynching me even if I was a villager... in what witches game is that sort of thing acceptable to say??

Myhands verification is that no one counterclaimed his role, and you dr stupid, are stupid to try and steal his spot, VOTE DR STUPID

we all agreed with myhands plan, dr stupid is obviously witch that tried to steal first spot, while myhands claim is unverified the fact that no one else has counter claimed his role shows that he is indeed the seer, so I beg you, fellow townsfolk, slay dr stupid, as he is both stupid, and a witch

sigh...

Okay I will address you again Dr.Stupid.

It is a bit tiresome, because you have no real arguments and you fail to see my logic, but I will do it again for the village to see and understand.

1+2 : By trying to cast doubt upon me, you are in fact sabotaging the village. It is not certain how much your actions will harm the village, but it is likely that people will get confused by your efforts and make mistakes, or have unjustified doubts. So yes, I would not be sorry to have you lynched even as a villager unless you change your ways and understand what is going on.
There is a good possibility that you are a witch instead of a just plain stupid villager and therefore lynching you is better than anybody else, because we have not the slightest information on anybody else. The bandwagoned people are all dead and I cant blame Kellen for voting on the guy that voted him first out of the blue.

3: Why was it so important that I dont get first vote? Please enlighten me with your faulty logic. I already explained that you are wrong, the other seer can in fact find out about whether or not I am telling the truth. He will not have to waste a nights action on something he can find out in the course of 2/3 nights anyways. Still you proposed that he should look into me, to verify if i am the real seer or not. That gives another good idea of either your shortsightenedness or your vile evilness as a witch. Because if he would find me innocent, he would have no way of telling anyone, since he would have to reveal himself to the village and the witches. How would the village know he even looked into me?

4: Yes outed, as in "I out myself as seer" or "I out myself as being homosexual". If you out yourself as a homosexual, you are not a verified homosexual yet, you could still be lying.

5: I didnt tie you to anything. I just stated that I was about to be killed and I urged everyone to cast the votes on Semi, since his behaviour was ridiculously suspicous. Yes, you voted him, very early, which makes it likely that you are just being (dr.)stupid here, instead of a witch.

6; I have to ask you: "Would you think that the seer voting first everyday is a good idea, or not?" Can you see the logic there? Your failure to see the logic makes you suspicious. Not the fact that you are suspicous of me eventually not being a seer. If you wouldnt know about me being a seer, you would still have to wait for a moment when I either claim someone a wolf who isnt, or villager who turns out to be a wolf. I didnt really want to influence the voting to much against arun, I just wanted my protection. Your willigness to take it away without a good reason, a good explanation, or a debate with the whole village beforehand is what makes you suspicious, its incredible that you fail to see that.
So lynching you serves the purpose of uniformity that no villager should vote BEFORE me. WITCHES HAVE TO VOTE FIRST TO GET RID OF ME. If you would like to change the deal why didnt you do it like little blue?
He asks the village beforehand, whether or not it would be a good idea to not have me vote first or not. This is the way how its done and i am open to it and willing to discuss it.

Even as a villager you should now say : "oh, my bad, I fucked up, I agree, lynching me has to be done, even though its a mistake, MY mistake, because i am no freaking witch"
And why is that? Because even if we dont lynch you now and I will look into you, you would still be killed in the night by the witches and we gain absolutely nothing.

I see only one scenario, in which we would now have a serious problem and that is you being the other hero.

Edited 12/19/2014 05:14:18

"oh, my bad, I fucked up, I agree, lynching me has to be done, even though its a mistake, MY mistake, because i am no freaking witch"

What the what???

Ok, so I guess here's the number one thing that confuses me about your foolproof plan. Since you were immune to wolf kills on night 1 and since you had publically "outed" yourself as a seer, why didn't you tell us who you were seering BEFORE you seered them?

You claim to have this brilliant plan and be the guy with all the answers, but if that's true, why this numbskull move? What possible good reason would you have in withholding that information when we could have avoided this whole inane argument in the first place?

In fact, this ends now. If you take me down, I'm going to be sure that you're true identity is revealed. If you're telling the truth, this helps you, right? You're safe tonight, right?

Who ya gonna seer? Declare it now because there is absolutely no risk to you in doing so.

Who ya gonna seer?

Dude, why would the witches kill me tonight? If you're legit and I'm legit, the wolves are gonna want to milk this argument for all it's worth.

Who ya gonna seer?

Ever considered that it is not my risk, but the risk for the person I am seering?
Do you even read what I write?

either dr stupid is a witch, or he is a total dumbass

Edited 12/19/2014 05:37:43

"either dr stupid is a witch, or he is a total dumbass"

seahawks, buddy...can you give me something better than just strait up insulting me, man? I mean at least myhand counters my arguments before backhandedly insinuating that I'm an idiot. I mean, what you're giving us is just strait up insults. How is this helpful, buddy?

Votes:
Dr. Stupid - Arun
Myhandisonfire - Arun
Seahawks - Dr. Stupid

Total counts:
Arun - 2
Dr. Stupid - 1

Yet to vote:
Ace Windu
Arun
A Talking Fan
Dom365
GeneralGror
His balls.
Jesuslight
John Smith
Kellen the Conquerer
Little Blue
Mayor Sonnen
Mr. Fall
Uzumaki Naruto

Apologies for the inactivity. Got some catching up to do later. Just quickly though I'm fairly convinced neither myhand or stupid are villagers.

Nor Seahawks for that matter.

Can some others give us some input. If you are innocent this should be easy. Even input as meager as this post will do.

Currently I want to kill Stoopid but I'm watiching.












Watching... ALLLLLLWWWWWWAAAAYS watching.


*edit* I want witches to kill me so I can have some anal fun with a stop-sign.

Edited 12/19/2014 11:55:51

Ok, let's consider.

myhand may be a wolf and seahawk's argument that nobody has refuted it with a counter-claim is certainly not infallible.
I've seen in the past seers and angels who didn't want to reveal themselves for fear of being killed in the night so think about this-

If there are 2 seers (not including myhand) they may both think that myhand is the other seer and not come forward to refute him. We can't do much to remedy this uncertainty without putting more specials at risk.

myhand's seering of qwed was declared after the truth came out. This could just be an unlucky coincidence, but a wolf could take advantage of that info safely UNLESS a seer comes forward.

Having said that, I don't really think myhand is lying, but I don't trust him yet. His arguments make sense.

Dr Stupid is being stubborn. There is a chance that myhand is a wolf monopolizing on the first vote so that the ville can't get it, but it seems detrimental to our cause if you lay yourself on the block without much certainty.

A suggestion that we look into it like little blue did was all that was needed really. Discussion is safer for us at the moment. This was reckless.

If you are both villagers, then what have we gained from this?

I'm not sure if we should really lynch stupid for this. Perhaps seer him and lynch someone else? good chance he is village. We should avoid this if so. Doc has been a strong player for both sides in past games so I disagree that we HAVE to kill him because of this.

Can you two explain your reasons for both voting arun? Quite strange that you both singled him out.

I'm not sure how much time we have left, but don't bandwagon on the Dr Stupid vote until we have talked more

Tell us your opinions people!

Interested to hear your side, long-balls. About them both being witches. or did you just mean not ordinary villagers?

I also noticed that myhand didn't respond to this-

"Myhand already has protection tonight, so tomorrow he can refrain from voting first and we can have the other seer scry him, while the remaining hero protects him. Would that be our best play?"
-LittleBlue

This could easily work. Ask the remaining hero to protect you and we can be sure. Not a bad plan.
Thoughts?

I'm not sure how much time we have left

A ton, out of the 72ish hours given only 12ish has gone by.

Edited 12/19/2014 13:09:00