Your logic has hardly been flawless, but your attitude does have problems as others have said.

Myhand get off your high horse you arrogant git. You are NOT village dictator (yet). Work with us. I forgot to check this thread but I'll try to be sctive now. Myhand reeks of suspicion. Voting me makes zero sense. If Myhand takes first vote in the next day we must vote him out. Myhand, if you are seer, do not vote first. Let us check you. I also sincerely doubt your logic is flawless. We simply don't have the information to find a witch.

Dr. Stupid I believe to be a villager. His flexibility is not wolf/witch like. If he is a villager I'd like to say he's much smarter than me as well (mature route to avoid the head to head bickering which I was inclined to do).

Holding my vote for now. What's the deadlines?

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But after reading Myhand's latest suspect and seeing Silver's impatience I'm pretty willing to go with Mr. Fall. For now our best suspect I believe.

Tip Myhand, even if you are right, if you're a dick people are inclined to go against you, and wolves can hide behind this reason.

Vote Mr Fall.

everybody is running around panicking.

That's just incorrect. We are asking questions.. Do you have a problem with that?

I will not justify me any further in the future.

What, you're afraid of having an actual discussion? Please.

I'm not sure lynching this turn is in our best interests, the witches are down a player, and we're more likely to lynch a villager or out a hero than we are to get lucky again. I haven't seen anything that really makes me suspect anybody.

Mis-lynching each turn just for the sake of lynching will burn through our villager population twice as fast as waiting for verification on myhand and waiting for more information.

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If we're going to point out myhands dickish behavior, I may as well fess up to my own dickish behavior.

In reference to Dom's question to me, "Why did I vote Arun"?

I really can't answer why I voted Arun. My purpose was not to vote for Arun. My purpose was to take that first vote. Almost everyone has agreed that this was a boneheaded move, but I still think that myhand needs to be seerd. Let's face it, myhand is a strong leader and I will happily follow his leadership AFTER he is confirmed.

As far as suspects go, I guess we could go Mr. Fall... I kind of see him as a 50/50 now. I really don't know either way.

I'm pretty suspicious of Kellen, but that's not fair to say because to me he always acts wolfish even when he's a villager (I could also say the same thing about Semice. Everybody keeps talking about how wolfish Semice was in this game, but last game I played including Semice he was 8 times wolfier than in this game and he turned out to be a villager special, so....)

I'm pretty suspicious of Seahawks, but that might just be my reaction to his auto-parroting of everything myhand said paired with random insults.

That's all I've got for now, but if anyone has any other questions for me, I'll be checking in.

Little Blue...
Votes are unchangeable and many have already been cast, so I don't see how we could possibly avoid a lynch of one sort or another tonight...

fuck it

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Silver, if the majority vote no lynch, is that valid?

if you're a dick people are inclined to go against you, and wolves can hide behind this reason.

You know about this first hand from wolves 4, eh? ;)

maybe im parroting everything because trying to steal first role was stupid as hell

only a mafia could be that bad

Little blue it's always worth lynching in the early game! Otherwise we gain no information.

Are you suggesting the witches just have a free night kill? We would be in exactly the same position tomorrow.

Out of interest there is a funny situation when no lynching (and no night kills) is best. Right near the end when a mislynch would cause a loss.

If there are 4 remaining players with one wolf and they mislynch its a draw or the wolf wins. After the night there are two players and then, depending on the rules, a no lynch (meaning wolves will win) or multi lynch (leading to a draw).

If you choose to no lynch and allow the wolf a free night kill you have a 1 in 3 chance the next day instead of a 1 in 4 chance of lynching a wolf.

Unfortunately the wolves no this and may choose not to night kill. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Happily_Ever_After,_Revisited.

We do gain information, we get the information from the seers, and from posts. How important it is to lynch greatly depends on the villager/wolf ratio. If you're in a situation with 1 wolf and 9 villagers, trying to lynch without any solid info to go off of will very likely result in a villager being lynched.

It's just my opinion, but for me this would basically just be a guess to lynch, and I can't see how that would possibly help us. Since we're ahead, it's better for us to play safe than risk burning through our villager population twice as quickly.

Voting no lynch is fine.

Gror, exactly.

Dr. Stupid, your beheiviour does not smack of wolf to me. At the moment I want better suspects lynched and Myhand to be proved so we can follow him.

This means a couple things. First, Myhand cannot vote first tomorrow. That means the night after next he must be protected. Also, we should agree on someone to vote first tomorrow so we don't give any of our potential targets safety.

@his balls

Interestingly enough, from your link:

in a theoretical 1 Mafia, 7 Townie game, the Town actually has a slight advantage if the Mafia is forced to kill, while the Mafia has an advantage if the Town is forced to lynch.

I don't know how to calculate the math even in a situation where the number of everything is known, but there are times when it's worse to lynch blindly.

I'm happy to vote first tomorrow. I'm just a villager-baker after all. Or maybe I'm a hero and really want the protection.

What do you think about that witches? :P

@myhand - the problem comes if you are a witch. If you are, and we blindly trust and follow you, then the game's pretty much over now. You'll lead us to lynch too many villagers and by the time we uncover you, it'll be too late. I don't think we should lynch you, and we should listen to you, of course, but I don't think we should follow you blindly, yet.



@Little Blue - I think it's a sensible idea to lynch. Lynching is our only hope of killing witches, and besides, what information do you hope to garner if we don't vote? I'm in favour of a lynch; just not too sure who just yet.