@ Phules
Maybe yours are, mine are not.
Dont discredit my numbers just because you dont know how to argue against them.
Prove my numbers wrong instead of writing such a pointless load of crap.
If you don't know how to get reliable numbers, don't blame me for it.

The income in equality in the USA reached new heights. Its now as big as it was during the great depression. You should pick up a book and read how that ended. Its not my fault that you dont understand the gravity of this fact.

http://eml.berkeley.edu/~saez/pikettyqje.pdf

and SNAP (food stamps)

How is it possible that the richest country on earth even needs foodstamps?
Oh wait, could be related to distribution of wealth.

I'm fairly sure that Luxembourg doesn't get hundreds of thousands or even millions of (destitute and illiterate...) immigrants every year. And if they did, their hospitals would get overburdened, and the mortality rates would rocket sky high. Not to mention the unemployment.

Are you even aware of the bullshit you are writing? Didnt I give you the example of Cuba having better child and infant mortality rates than the USA?

USA GDP (2013): 52.840$
Cuba GDP (2010): 10.200$

How is that possible, the USA has a five times higher GDP than Cuba, how come they have higher infant mortality rates?
Oh wait, could be related to distribution of wealth.

Which brings me to another topic: It's not a very fair comparison. Does the E.U. have all that much immigration? I'd even venture to say it's kind of xenophobic, even.

I am not here to defend the EU. The US pressure and influence reaches deep into the EU. And the things they are responsible for are equally bad. We have a democracy deficit in the EU as much as you have a democracy deficit in the USA.
EU immigration policy is despicable and shameful for the wealthiest Economic Union worldwide, but its a completely different topic.

@Genghis
Too much of your fuzzy logic for me to address.

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This all seems pointless to me. And absolutely off-topic.

@Darknight: Just blowing our stacks.

@Myhand: Blame the media in the U.S.

I swear, the more left or right they are, the more they leave out certain facts.

Have you heard about the Sally Clark case? That Roy Meadows didn't know what he was talking about, statistics and all. And he was not American. He was British.

I'm sure he was allergic to reading.

And don't you say that. I was referring to:
"Since I know as an average american you most likely have an allergic reaction to reading, I will try not to link too much raw data.".

It's not my fault you misunderstood. Did you read the sentence after "82% of all quoted statistics..."?

Ghengis, forget equality until you have achieved democracy. The two party dictatorship idea is nice, but it's not even the parties in control. When you're voting for a party controlled by fat businessmen protecting their interests, you do not live in a modern state. Your state is as corrupt as the countries you try to improve. Such is the arrogance of Americans; maintaining their non-existant moral superiority.

What has this shit to do with Warlight? Can someone tell me? I just hope someone from the "Warlight Staff" moves this where it belongs to.

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@Arun: China's doing pretty well on equality without the democracy part.

@Darknight: World Domination. :p

Edited 1/11/2015 20:00:40

A message to the Americans on this thread from another American:

Stop trying to convince anyone else how good we have it or whether we have it better or worse than anyone else. Please. I belong to the 99%. According to the American income scale, I earn in the top 33% of the poverty class. I love my country. I love my state. I love my job. I love my wife and my four children. I love the God that I worship and I love the freedoms that I have in this country. My wish is that everyone in every country would have it as good as I do. A lot of people in other countries have it much worse than we do and we should do what we can to help them not because we are the world police, but because we care. A lot of people in other countries have things better than us and we should remain open to hearing their ideas of better ways to do things. Not all of their ideas would work here much the same as our ideas do not automatically work in other countries.

As far as myhand is concerned, he is a bully. He is rude and he has his own unique opinions on a host of topics. Some of his opinions I agree with and some I do not. Why let his opinions bait you into argument? Do you like your life now? Than rather than argue with myhand, why not just be thankful? Do you not like your life? Work on ways to improve it.

(just my two cents)

Your two cents are worth nothing.

Now that the insult is over, let this arguement continue. And don't power your view with anecdotes. I could recount a tale where I met a rich Ethiopian, loved his life there. I wish I can recount a tale where I met a poor Qatari, but I can not.

Let the argument continue, it's just for fun.

(just my two cents)

Your two cents are worth nothing.

Lol. Let the discussions about the utter uselessness of the American penny begin!

I love how this topic went from a logical debate on torture to, "Let's hate on the U.S lol"

Seriously, the Anti U.S bandwagon gets old fast. Too many people like to just lump all the world's problems together and say, "Blame America". It's even worse with people like myhand whose primary weapons are insults,stereotypes,and massive generalizations.

The smart and informed will always look stupid to the uneducated and misinformed.

A false point.

If America was really this bad, all of the rich states could break away.

It's true. Everyone will think a smart and informed professor is smart and informed.

Also, I have the next potential argument starter ready, I will post it when this dies down.

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Phulesdrop, China's inequality? You want to talk about that? You are an idiot.

@Arun: *China under the administration of Mao Zedong.

Happy?

How long did that last? Pulses drop your point is invalid.

... From the birth of the PRC before Xiaoping, 1949-1982.

But then how long did the Roaring Twenties and the Great Depression last? Around ten years each.

By the way, I'm not Pulses, darn it.

"Freedom in not attained by the fulfiling of man's will, but the extraction of it."-Epictus

I might have said it wrong but you see the point.