2 amendment was made so that the people can defy government when needed

Wrong. Learn about the history of the 2nd amendment before you speak

Just incase anyone doesn't believe I have knowledge of American History, I do indeed have the knowledge as I am a citizen of the US.

The history of the 2nd Amendment starts during the Revolutionary War.

Before the Revolutionary War, the British had enforced an arms embargo on the Colonies in fear that they would attack the soldiers of the British. The colonists feared that the British would use it to inflict harm onto them while they were helpless.
By choosing to add the Second Amendment, the United States entered an unspoken covenant with the people.
"If we allow you to use guns, you won't use it to harm us"
The Second Amendment was thus made for the exact opposite purpose, not so that people can defy government, but rather that they don't have a reason to defy government. If the state of trust in the Union is low enough that the government fears that the people will use guns to harm it, then it wholly retains the right to take the guns away.

I don't want to get in an argument with anyone on this topic, but the concept of evolution is a very elegant explanation on how things came to turn out this way.

Also, I'm reasonably sure that Thomas Jefferson, a founding father, quoted this:
"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive."

I'm sure he loved his guns too.

EDIT: Actually, to make clear my stance, I'm a big fan of having a large-ish (but not too large) military. Not so much when it's used to injure somebody.

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The Second Amendment, to make it more concise, is an unspoken pact that as long as the government passes nothing oppressive the people have no reason to bring to bear arms against it.

The US means well, however, with a series of ineffective Presidents unseen since the Reconstruction and Gilded era Presidents. Our stance is diminishing and our constant war in the Mid East is draining resources. While we may not be the most moral, we are the best at spreading more morality across the globe, I do believe we need to stop trying to force our own version of a republic to other nations because we refuse to take into account socio-ethnic-religious differences that may apply.

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What I believe is that, God created life. Not us. he gave the universe the spark, then let time take its course and evolution brought about everything else, through the spark of God.

If Evolution is taught at schools, then Creationism should also be taught. But, our students will likely conform to an ideal based on peer pressure. This, with so many other factors, is why it is best we leave such things for our children to dabble in and discover on their own. I'm not for creationism, I'm not for evolution, I'm just saying maybe we should debate something more productive and relevant : like gun control, USA's interventionalism ( and fading glory ) and the Middle Eastern crises.

BTW : You can show all the " evidence " you want, it is still a theory( that said, there is evidence, but not enough ), along with plate tectonics, continental drift and whether human society is driven by greed and strife or compassion and sympathy.

It's so sad when people not only reject established science, but choose to remain willfully ignorant as to the evidence supporting it. They mock something that they've never tried to understand.

It makes no sense to me, it would be like if 40% of the US was positive the earth was flat, made fun of anybody who believed in that 'crazy globe-ism', and for some reason could never be bothered to look at the evidence. It's just bizarre.

"It's still a theory"

Proof that you don't even understand what a scientific theory is. Evolution has more evidence than almost any other theory, aside from quantum mechanics.

But go ahead and walk off a cliff. After all, gravity is 'just a theory'. So is relativity. And Quantum mechanics. And plate tectonics. rofl.

I know you haven't looked at the evidence because you say there isn't enough. You'll never be able to finish looking at all the evidence, you'd have to dedicate your life to one small field just to see all the evidence for evolution that exists in that field, let alone the dozens of others.

rofl.


BTW, debating anything like evolution, science, gun control, or foreign policy on the Warlight forums has absolutely no productivity other than enjoying a discussion.

I'm curious though, should we also teach children that sickness is caused by demons? That the earth is flat? That comets are signs from the gods that disaster is approaching? Serious question.

I've said it once, I've said it again : I'm not for Creationism and I'm not for Evolution. Both are stupid, narrow-minded explanations as to why our society exists as it is today.
In my opinion, the matter of where we come from is something incomprehensible, but it is irrelevant. If a good pear comes from Greece, but a good pear comes from Italy also, is one of them suddenly better? Is one of them not a pear? Does a pear suddenly become more than a pear? In much the same way, is one way of us becoming what we are better than the other? We will always argue over these things if discussed, and our opinions and minds will never be changed. I'll say this to you Little Blue : Grow up. People disagree all the time, and people forgive and forget.

P.S.
I am not your stereotypical " stubborn Catholic ". If anything, you should be open-minded being so approving of the theory of evolution. Besides, your theory is irrelevant to disproving religion, because religion can always say God dictated that evolution shall exist. Just stop trying to argue.

I think it works like this.

A man created a cage (God makes everything)
Then the man fills it with dogs (people) He let's the dogs do as they wish as he does other business. But once the dogs start doing stuff that he doesn't like he intervenes.

Demons don't cause sickness (but when they do it's called possession) You just get sick

What up with the flat earth?

Comments are just commets.

Your "prove" proves nothing at all what so ever. It is just a theory.

yeah, if the argument is "its just a theory" then you have to throw out all science. evolution explains existing evidence and predicts new evidence. that is how science works. nothing can be "proven". scientific knowledge is a tool you use to make more scientific knowledge. when belief is involved it only corrupts science.

i think they need to teach more philosophy of science in high school. nearly everyone i talk to about science thinks that science is either right or wrong about something. it doesn't work that way. a scientist will tell you straight up (if he is a good scientist anyway) that he knows nothing for certain and even newton's laws of physics could change or stop working any second now. all a scientist can do is use the tools and knowledge available to him to either progress our knowledge or make something tangible.

i bet there's some scientists out there that have some serious doubts about the theory of evolution but still work in the framework of it, cause they either haven't thought of a better system or they're just trying to make a living. whether or not evolution is "true" there have been scientists that have used the "knowledge" of evolution for the betterment of mankind (disease control, new medicines, etc).

I understand how evolutionist could have helped the world but I don't think the theory of evolution helped anyone.

but suppose the theory of evolution was never thought up, and in it's place scientists thought up other theories that had more holes, or were a lot harder to learn, or didn't make as many predictions as evolution does. we may not have ended up with a flu vaccine (flu virus mutates so fast that new vaccines have to be created often). we may have been totally suprised by SARS, swine flu, avian flu, etc. and they may have turned into epidemics (all were viruses in animals that we had knowledge of that mutated to be passed to humans). that's just two examples i can think of off the top of my head.

of course they could have been explained or predicted by some other theory that we never thought of, but there's also a chance that they couldn't be explained or predicted by any other theory, or the theory was so lacking that the gaps in our knowledge were too big.

I don't think there are many scientists who think evolution is a bad theory, except for a few religiously-driven creationists. Thing is, nothing has ever been found that contradicts it, so a good scientist has no reason to have serious doubts. Instead, every piece of evidence ever found fits with it, and many, many successful predictions have been made based on it.

I agree about teaching more about science itself, it's so poorly understood here. People think a theory is something that just hasn't been proven enough to be a law yet...

Lucid Dreamer, the theory of evolution has helped humanity in a lot of ways.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topicbrowse2.php?topic_id=47

Seriously, there is SO MUCH KNOWLEDGE available on the internet. Why remain ignorant? That's just one link, just one, but you could learn so much just starting there.

My questions were linked to evolution. If we teach creationism, we should teach those non-scientific explanations as well.

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Non-scientific explanations? Explain.

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There seems to be an issue with the understanding of what a scientific theory is. A scientific theory is proven with testing re testing and the use of a hypothesis to ask a question, you must keep testing a Scientific theory but it is fact until it can be proven wrong. Hence Gravity and quantum mechanics.

Also I take a bit of offense to the "Narrow minded Catholic" comment, I'm Catholic and I just told you I believe in evolution, my only difference is that I believe God created the spark of life for this universe.

Creationism is merely a medieval explanation for "why" and "how" we exist.