you will understand me

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/images/greek-turkey-fence-1.jpg

http://im.haberturk.com/2012/02/11/714823_detay.jpg?1328955083

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feres,_Evros

http://imgur.com/8RFvbaS

Grecee have not a connection to Black sea! i dont have any idea about vasilikos

and we know Ottoman didnt use a written law.who used Konstaniniye? Kostananiye' mean Konstantin's City. Who is konstantin in Ottoman Sultans.maybe Eutopeans did not accept İstanbul and kept use konstantininiye. Who used Konstantin as offical name . English ? Germans? Or Turkish? But i know Turks used İstanbul.You're looking at Istanbul in your perspectives.

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1.Konstantinopol was the name of Istanbul till 1921, Panda is right 100%.

2.Tyrcae is right as well, Turks, even their Sultans never knew writing those ages, and that's why they didn't change the city's official name.lol

3.I think you should use English name for everything, otherwise you';; maybe get 1 or 2 city names right, but you'll have 1000s of other mistakes.

so we cant talk about any offical name

As far as Ferecik and that other one go, you clearly care more than me. So if you just suggest what I should change them to, I'll do it.

However, all major cities are being written in English - including Constantinople.

I thought you were gonna put Bonuses that combined the Colonies and their Owner countries?

I think you should put the names in modern Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine in Polish, because this was the official language there and these were parts of Poland (Russia stole them, >_<).
I don't see a reason to put like Ukrainian names...

Yeah, I'll get to that...but it's not just Polandlithuania to right...

Do you know how many Ottoman names needed to be put in Turkish? How hard it was to find Adygean and Kuban placenames at this time?

Right now, soon work in the Holy Roman Empire is to be done.

(Russia stole them, >_<).

Poles stole them, being opportunistic after the Mongol invasion. Russians just were getting them back.

I've always liked them better as Free countries.

I'll test

TheOnlyPie: If you look at the version of the map on the original post, you'll see those bonuses are now there in the top-left

Bart: Sorry, but the last test game has already begun; you won't be able to join any test games now.

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Russia has no history of old ages, just because it has never been a country before becoming independent from Mongols, just a band of people, many people.Poles,Ukrainians,Belorussians aren't native people of those lands, maybe they killed all aborigines there at the time of Slav invasion, so arguing about those lands is incorrect, simply because none of current peoples can claim that.

So who were before Russians and Slaves? Caucasians?

Those lands where slightly inhabited, the valley people were living there, one day the moved to west and south.

Anyway, it's a fact that Slavs are one of the barbarian tribes who migrated to their current lands after Hun invasion.

BTW The whole middle east where inhabited by the same people once, but because of barbarians invasions(that are unknown for you because the haven't reached Europe) most peoples were destroyed and currently only a few countries can claim to be descendants of those native middle-Easterners, the ones who were stronger and the ones who lived in mountains, so here in Caucasus only Georgians and a couple of northern Caucasians are considered native people, so putting us, Caucasians in the same bowl is not right.

And also, unlike Russians and other guys like them,we don't want the territory that aren't ours.Even the times when we were strong, maybe stronger than England and France, we hadn't conquered everybody.

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Anyway, it's a fact that Slavs are one of the barbarian tribes who migrated to their current lands after Hun invasion.

BTW The whole middle east where inhabited by the same people once, but because of barbarians invasions(that are unknown for you because the haven't reached Europe)

Lionheart I understand it, but you seem to not know the European prehistoric "history" either, Europe too was inhabited by old Europeans once before Indoeuropean barbarians came there.

Indoeuropeans (who would become Celts, Germans, Latins, Slavs, Iranians etc) were invaders as well and conquered old europeans' land starting some 4000 years ago, actually 2 families of people composed those old europeans:

-Finno-Uralic people: nowadays Finns, Sami, Hungarians etc who inhabited all the NOrth and East of Europe.

-Vasconic people (known as Solutreans/Clovis culture who built megalithic monuments such as Stonehenge or Carnac) nowadays Basques being their heir, who inhabited the Western part from Scotland to Sicily.

Thus, it is not false to say that Basques and Finno-Ugrians are the real aboriginals of Europe.

Two old European big families


Indo European Invasion


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I don't know much about what you wrote because Europe has no history before Greeks, but I surely know that Slavs are in the list of the barbarian tribes that invaded Europe at the end of Western Roman Empire because of Huns, forcing them to move west.

Edited 3/20/2015 13:46:00

That's why this period is called "pre"history, because those people did not kept any written records.
However before Greeks ever started to exist Europe was inhabited by those civilizations I explained you before, and despite the fact that there is no "written history", we know that because of archeological discoveries (megaliths, caves), genetics (western europeans share many similiar genes, for example Iberians and Irish are actually genetically very similar), linguistics (toponimical researches), and anthropology (old europeans were a matriarchal society venerating an Earth goddess, Basque and Saami myths through oral traditions keep these tracks).
Consequently the fact that there is no written history does not mean that there is no History at all.

Edited 3/20/2015 15:45:11

Keep in mind, Lionheart thinks that China has never won a war...ever, in over 4000 years.

It shocked him when I showed him one.

Also, look up Kievan Rus', and Galicia-Volyn Principality.

Also, I hear the same argument everywhere from weak countries:

And also, unlike Russians and other guys like them,we don't want the territory that aren't ours.Even the times when we were strong, maybe stronger than England and France, we hadn't conquered everybody.

Never stronger than England or France, even in the golden 1100s. The only reason Georgia did not expand was because most of the time, it was too busy fighting itself, and when it wasn't, it was too weak to do anything else.

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Keep in mind, Lionheart thinks that China has never won a war...ever, in over 4000 years.

total bullshit

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Poles stole them, being opportunistic after the Mongol invasion. Russians just were getting them back.

They took it from the Kievan Rus, yes, but it's more Ukraine than Russia (Kiev... is the capital of Ukraine)

Also, if we are playing that way, I could say Poland should control Germany all the way to the Elbe river because they did control that area. What I m saying is that this part of Lithuania-Ukraine-Belarus was Polish for a long time and it was considered like naturally Polish land, so it should use Polish names. Just saying.