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Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 01:01:43


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Limited rights*

People get no rights and limited rights and freedoms so confused.

Also, I would go in a lengthy tirade about how North Korea is the greatest country in the world, but too tired now.

Edited 2/14/2015 01:02:11
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 01:02:39


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I agree with most parts of Communism in principle. However, it's been proven more than once that communism doesn't work in practice. Look at what happend to the USSR. Look at modern day communist countries of North Korea,Cuba,Laos,and Vietnam (Not the highest rated in every area.) Of course you do have China but they're more of a mixture at this point.

Also, throughout history communist governments have tended to become very hostile towards religion. Even going as far to outright ban them and arrest/kill religious people. I'd perfer that myself and my family live, so I'd probably vote against any communist movement unless I knew for sure they'd be better than ones in the past.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 01:03:44


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North Korea isn't Communist

And Communism itself will never last very long, which is why it needs reforms. Unfortunantly, this may never happen.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 01:10:31


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Communism is great in theory, it fails, however, in practice, as human nature takes over and greed takes precedence over the people.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 01:31:17


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Unfortunantly, yes.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 01:37:55


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Capitalism has failed quite tremendously. Look at the US. A rich priveledged elite that has NO barrier between private business and government.

Massive corruption by banks and corporations, literally stealing money from taxpayers in the form of bailouts and stiumulus packages, whilst cutting benefits and putting further strain on the weakest parts of society.

Of course, there is also no free press, as the richest people benefitting from this also own mainstream media outlets.

You have the pioneer spirit, but the majority of wealth is inherited, not created. The rich are not rich from hard work and grit, that is only happening in a minority of cases.

It's hard to think of why American's fight so hard against free healthcare and education. Surely these things benefit everyone except for the rich that want to keep their families place as elite, educated healthy superhumans.

It might be hard to see how it's so bad if you live in the US, but go ahead and step over the border into Mexico, or god forbid further south. How is Africa and Asia handling capitalism?

Not well at all, starving children, rampant disease.. All the while the rich have enough in the bank to eliminate these problems entirely... yet don't..
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 02:13:46


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Capitalism certainly has a long list of flaws, and I don't exactly like it, but I don't see Communism as a viable alternative either. At least not until people are ready to step up and do it right.

In the Soviet Union there was still mass starvation and poverty. The government had control of all resources and money, it had the power to solve problems but it didn't. This is what makes me wary of any future communist governments. I'm afraid we'll turn over all power to a government only for said government to turn around and screw over the people.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 02:28:04


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"North Korea isn't Communist" eh, communist, dictators same thing
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 02:52:46

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I think communism could work if there wasn't such a stigma against it. It sucks that it gets demonized so badly and that people think the USSR represented real communism.

I think the key to overcoming the issue of human greed that always gets brought up as an argument against communism is to establish a system of "checks and balances" that prevents any one person (or a group of people) from rising to sole power. It's no different in the US Government. There always has to be a way of keeping selfishness and greed away from the government. Communism is no different. I don't think it's impossible to implement such a system.

In fact, if it wasn't so heavily stigmatized we could be having serious conversations about such a system in theory. I'm surprised there are even people on here that support it. Whenever I research it on the internet, people usually jump on the "it's evil because the Soviet Union" bandwagon.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 02:59:32


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Also, I would go in a lengthy tirade about how North Korea is the greatest country in the world, but too tired now.


Please do. I would find that incredibly amusing.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 03:00:12


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Just look at the death totals for communist regimes in the 20th century. Communism is just a mythology for oppressive dictatorships to sell to the people.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 03:05:56


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communism is great but impossible to properly implement
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 03:11:30


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Well a good mix would be a Nordic style government=Social democracy so theirs a bridge for ya. They are the happiest people in the world. I still don't support socialism or socialist extremist that is communism.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 03:29:33


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Ok, here goes the North Korea argument:

In Korean sources, North Korea ranks top in population, living standards and military. Can't really beat that easily. Although they do have many enemies, these enemies are easily destroyable. Furthermore, North Korea is kind enough to announce to the world when it is testing it's nuclear weapons (true fact; North Korea was the only country that warned other countries that it was going to do nuclear testing). Although some may argue that these sources are unreliable, what sources can you provide that are not biased against North Korea because they are enemies of the great state.

In case you haven't noticed, I was joking, Apex, though I've got two people on the hook on this one :)

But I do think that North Korea is exaggerated in how poor it is.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 03:34:16


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the official website of north korea:
http://korea-dpr.com/
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 03:35:05


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The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a genuine workers' state in which all the people are completely liberated from exploitation and oppression. The workers, peasants, soldiers and intellectuals are the true masters of their destiny and are in a unique position to defend their interests.

Quote from their offical website.

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Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 03:36:37


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Yeah, how can that go wrong? :)
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 03:37:18


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^haha hahaha my soul giggles at the lies hahajajajajajah
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 03:40:36


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In case you haven't noticed, I was joking, Apex, though I've got two people on the hook on this one :)


I'm Lolowut, part of Apex, but it flatters me you would call me by my clan.

I didn't say I thought you believed it. I said it would be highly amusing to see an argument for North Korea.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 03:42:53


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Don't be sore...you totally fell for it...

But if it makes you feel better, someone directly emailed me to ask why I thought North Korea was the greatest country in the world.
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