because a child has a right and role in education and integration within the society.


Homeschooler children are usually more inelegant then the masses. Also don't be stereotypical homeschooler children are integrated into society as well.

I have no idea what you tried to say there, but homeschooled children are not actually better integrated:

http://www.middleschool.net/negative-homeschooling.htm

http://www.educationcorner.com/benefits-disadvantages-of-homeschooling.html

While homeschooled children spend a lot more time with their parents and the family, the amount of additional effort you have to go through to compensate for what public schools provide much more efficiently, outweigh most of the benefits. This is especially true when you consider that the ones who tend to pursue this most adamantly are the ones that are already "social deviants".

Germany takes parallel societies serious, since their most recent dictator was raised up out of a similar grass roots movement.

The easiest way to counter extremism in society is to make sure that every individual has a place where they fit in. When they do, they're much less likely to form their own little tea party, which is ironically something that is springing up all over the US atm.

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"much less likely to form their own little tea party" or Pegida............. oh wait Germany has that

Wanna compare the number of radical, extremist and hate-mongering groups springing up in Germany and the US? Even if you take population and economic differences into consideration, Germany is doing remarkably better, which I think you knew before you posted your comment.

You know nothing Tupac Snow! Typical Europe bashing.

Damn Europens and their "unions" it's pernuced "onyun" (this is a joke)

Hello

Germany takes parallel societies serious, since their most recent dictator was raised up out of a similar grass roots movement.
An interesting example. In fact it's an important part of totalitarian governments that they want to take the children from their parents so they have the power to inject their own values into them. It's no coincidence that the compulsory school attendance was firstly introduced in Germany by the Nazi Party 1938. It's the same today just that the values have changed. Voting this transvestite guy in the ESC was no sign of tolerance but in fact he represents exactly the values that the German mainstream socciety stands for. It's the schools job to inject those values into the thinking of the kids. I went through pretty much all parts of the German school system. Later on school was mainly for teaching me stuff but the years 1-10 were just pure indoctrination. The teachers even organised some kissing and massaging games between boys and girls and a game where you had to use your mouth to take a fruit out of someone else's mouth. I'm not even talking about the evolution courses where they basically teach you that the bible is a lie just to teach you later in your Christian education classes some values that perfectly fit into the German mainstream society but are all but Christian.

Even the most fascist of all societies tolerate you if you are mainstream. In Germany being an American bashing leftist is just another part of the accepted mainstream, maybe if you take yourself to serious you might believe that the NSA is watching you but that's it.

It seems like chilrens rights is the new gateway for the fascist German mainstream society to suppress those who aren't mainstream. For example a couple of years ago the mainstream seriously discussed on eliminating Judaism from Germany 'again': http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/20/world/europe/circumcision-debate-in-europe-reflects-deeper-tensions.html?_r=0

I have no idea what you tried to say there, but homeschooled children are not actually better integrated:

Didn't say they were better but they could be it's dependant on the individual.


While homeschooled children spend a lot more time with their parents and the family, the amount of additional effort you have to go through to compensate for what public schools provide much more efficiently, outweigh most of the benefits. This is especially true when you consider that the ones who tend to pursue this most adamantly are the ones that are already "social deviants".


Homeschooling is more flexible, usually more inelegant, more time to fix problems in something your failing in, more time to learn something your interested in, can pee and crap when you want, eat when you want and eat good food not crap, sporting is easy to get into, there a crap ton home school groups where I live so I'm positive they socialize with each other. They also do more community service then public school.

But not everybody should do it major thing you need

Money.

Patience.



The easiest way to counter extremism in society is to make sure that every individual has a place where they fit in. When they do, they're much less likely to form their own little tea party, which is ironically something that is springing up all over the US atm.

That's because you live in a country that make all other ideologies Ileagle.

It's no coincidence that the compulsory school attendance was firstly introduced in Germany by the Nazi Party 1938.

And the French under Napoleon Bonaparte, the Japanese during the Meiji Restoration, the Chinese after the establishment of the CCP and the US after WWI and another "revival" after WWII. Your comparison here is moot.

Later on school was mainly for teaching me stuff but the years 1-10 were just pure indoctrination.

Hmm, my experience was quite different, but I went to one of the top schools in Berlin, so I can't speak for everyone. Yes, school is in part indoctrination and I myself don't appreciate the anti-religious stance that public education takes. However, I grew up in a household where questioning the status-quo was our bread and butter.

I can say that my school life was significantly better in Germany than it was in the US.

Even the most fascist of all societies tolerate you if you are mainstream. In Germany being an American bashing leftist is just another part of the accepted mainstream, maybe if you take yourself to serious you might believe that the NSA is watching you but that's it.

Mainstream Germany is not leftist. Merkel is not socialist, even though she likes to look like one in the media. I also don't like being thrown in with the "American bashing leftists" as I tend to bash on a wide-scale. You'll note that I made a rather snarky remark about the Chinese in this thread.

It seems like chilrens rights is the new gateway for the fascist German mainstream society to suppress those who aren't mainstream. For example a couple of years ago the mainstream seriously discussed on eliminating Judaism from Germany 'again'

The debate of circumcision is a valid one. If you want to strip something from your child's body before (in this case he) has a chance to decided whether he wants to part with it, it's a violation of the child's rights, unless it's a threat to the child's health of course. Strange that Muslims aren't making such a big fuss about it as the Jewish community is, since they have the same practice. It's the Jewish community crying Nazi, because the German government did something they don't approve of, which is just another example of Zionism to me. If a boy wants to part with his foreskin, he can always make the decision himself when he's 16.

But not everybody should do it major thing you need

Money.

Patience.

If you had read the links I provided, that was clearly stated in one of the articles.

That's because you live in a country that make all other ideologies Ileagle.

Please back this up with at least an example so I can form a decent rebuttal.

If you had read the links I provided, that was clearly stated in one of the articles.


Yes I read them I'm just stating I'm ageing with them.

Please back this up with at least an example so I can form a decent rebuttal.

Germany bans homeschooling.


The debate of circumcision is a valid one. If you want to strip something from your child's body before (in this case he) has a chance to decided whether he wants to part with it, it's a violation of the child's rights, unless it's a threat to the child's health of course. Strange that Muslims aren't making such a big fuss about it as the Jewish community is, since they have the same practice. It's the Jewish community crying Nazi, because the German government did something they don't approve of, which is just another example of Zionism to me. If a boy wants to part with his foreskin, he can always make the decision himself when he's 16.


Circumcision is part of the religion. Anyways it a heath hazard to not do it. A lot of US solders had to get it because it get disease and crap from the middle eastern sand.

That's because you live in a country that make all other ideologies Ileagle.

Germany bans homeschooling.

Homeschooling hardly qualifies as an ideology and even if you could somehow twist it to fit the term, it hardly qualifies as "all other ideologies".

Circumcision is part of the religion. Anyways it a heath hazard to not do it. A lot of US solders had to get it because it get disease and crap from the middle eastern sand.

Some religions practice female circumcision and the world rallied to defend women's rights and tried to ban it completely.

Also, your justification is health hazards and you use US soldiers in the Middle East as an example? Keeping yourself clean isn't all that difficult, even in the Middle East. It's perhaps more convenient, but the health related arguments are largely invalid for people who know what proper hygiene is. There are very few cases in which complete removal is necessary, there are more cases in which circumcision resulted in damage of the organ, leading to complications later in life (I'll leave the meaning of that to your imagination).

"Hey honey....." "what?" "I lost a piece while I was in there....."

I'm American, and deeply troubled by the state of affairs in our country. Bush/Obama both used 9/11 as an excuse to push through Draconian legislation; there is no privacy anymore. We have no problem using drones to kill innocent civilians. We are not bothered by "collateral damage" on foreign soil.

I don't think we are the "worst in the world," as someone suggested, but we certainly do not live up to our stated moral ideals. That's the problem, not that we're worse than anyone else, but that we believe the myth that we are better. "American Exceptionalism."

Our Empire is crumbling. It's ok, it happens to all Empires and now it's our turn.

The thing is, the world better watch out for the next Empire at bat. It will almost certainly be China.

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I think it will be russia :3