you need something more solid than flimsy "What ifs".

Hilarious coming from someone who brings up what ifs on the topic of lgbt. "B-But what if we legalize bestiality and necrophilia next?!?!?!"

Teaching the Biblical creation story is appropriate in a Social Studies class as part of a section on religion.

And it is taught, in World history classes, along with Islam and Judaism and other religions. I did think it was funny how my high school decided not to teach kids about Christianity, and instead skipped over it because pretty much everyone knows it already. All they went over was the crusades

Benefit of the doubt should go in favor of preserving life, not ending it.

Oh well maybe they wont grow up with aids, or severe disabilities and suffer through life.

We've gotten used to Tyrion being a dumbass

Rocks aren't biological, they don't have DNA period.

They can, dead human skin cells can land on them.

3)Does't matter if they feel pain or not - the pain will be minimal,

They used to do surgery without anaesthesia on babies until the 1980s in Britain - though I'm not for this, it wouldn't be as painful as it would be if you were a grownup going the same surgery. The point I'm trying to make is feeling pain is just some heart-grabber for some folk, but it's not. I'm not saying that because they don't feel pain, it's perfectly all right to abort, other reasons to do that.

"I'm sorry honey, our baby might grow up to be the next Hitler, it's a very small chance, but it's possible. We must kill the baby immediately to be sure it doesn't happen, better kill the neighbor's children while we're at it. Anyone could be the next Hitler!"

You make a ridiculous example, but there are some folk I knew some who have undergone abortions because they knew that their life quality for their other children and household would go down too much. And if you grow up in the gangster town part, you're not going to get a good education, probably bad diet, bad health and you'll grow up to be a nogood or a hobo or some good but struggling. And their parents don't even want to deal with them, so neglect and abuse will probably be common if you refuse the abortion to them, which can lead to them going psychotic.

What's the preserving life benefit if the life is just going to be in pain, in distress and very likely a nogood? You'll notice that poor folk and regular criminals don't just pop-up from a middleclass family, the poor folk and regular criminals (90%) come from families that are poor folk and regular criminals. Ban-ki Moon came from a poor background, and I'm not saying that it's impossible for folk to escape their backgrounds, but it's hard, and statistically much rarer than them staying true to their backgrounds.

I love literally no once comments about Tyrion's dumbass comment.
The constitution never mentions "seperation of church and state".
Hahahahahaha, youre fucking kidding me. It's been used many many MANY times by Jefferson himself, and the supreme court as a way of explaining some of the clauses of the first amendment. You learned that shit in 5th grade, did you forget it already?

Maybe he was talking about the Arabian constitution?

They can, dead human skin cells can land on them.

I still fail to see how this relates to anything. The rock itself does not have DNA nor can it utilize DNA, thus whatever point you're trying to make with this is null.

You make a ridiculous example

Make ridiculous statement, get ridiculous response. You were the one who first said, "What if they become the next Hitler?!" I based my response to show how crazy it is to use that kind of logic.


but there are some folk I knew some who have undergone abortions because they knew that their life quality for their other children and household would go down too much. And if you grow up in the gangster town part, you're not going to get a good education, probably bad diet, bad health and you'll grow up to be a nogood or a hobo or some good but struggling. And their parents don't even want to deal with them, so neglect and abuse will probably be common if you refuse the abortion to them, which can lead to them going psychotic.

What's the preserving life benefit if the life is just going to be in pain, in distress and very likely a nogood? You'll notice that poor folk and regular criminals don't just pop-up from a middleclass family, the poor folk and regular criminals (90%) come from families that are poor folk and regular criminals. Ban-ki Moon came from a poor background, and I'm not saying that it's impossible for folk to escape their backgrounds, but it's hard, and statistically much rarer than them staying true to their backgrounds.

I don't know where to start with this. They MIGHT have a bad life, and your best solution is "Just kill them"? This line of thinking could be extended to justify killing off the children of low class families, because "Oh well there's no hope for them better kill them all now." You think we should do a mass genocide in Africa because the situation there for many families seems hopeless? How about change the situation to make things less hopeless instead of killing people. Same goes for abortion, don't kill the child because their situation might look bad, work to change the situation instead.

There's plenty of examples of people who've come from bad backgrounds and have risen up to do great things in life. You can't predict the future, so murdering people to try and prevent bad things is absolute madness. I'd even wager that a hard life is better than no life at all, but again, you can't even state with certainty that any person might have a bad life. Everyone deserves a chance, killing them outright because you're afraid they might suffer is wrong on so many levels.

I still fail to see how this relates to anything. The rock itself does not have DNA nor can it utilize DNA, thus whatever point you're trying to make with this is null.

My point is (directed at Martian) that just because something has human DNA dœs not mean that it is human life.

They MIGHT have a bad life, and your best solution is "Just kill them"?

It's not killing anybody since they're not really living yet, and it's more than just a "might".

This line of thinking could be extended to justify killing off the children of low class families, because "Oh well there's no hope for them better kill them all now."

Pretty much happens by itself, except they actually do feel pain. And it's not just low class families - "ex" convicts, known gang areas, families that might be rich but know that it would be best to the family's living standard if they didn't have a (nother) child.

You think we should do a mass genocide in Africa because the situation there for many families seems hopeless?

Again, already happens by itself.

How about change the situation to make things less hopeless instead of killing people.

I might change my mind if you do.

There's plenty of examples of people who've come from bad backgrounds and have risen up to do great things in life.

Like Adolf Hitler? These folk who do great things are a small minority.

You can't predict the future

We can, by statistics, roughly predict the future. Weathermen do it all the time.

so murdering people to try and prevent bad things is absolute madness.

It's not murder - they have no brain, their version of life is basically seeing some light flashes halfway through pregnancy, and having literally almost no cognition to determine what these light flashes are. By your definition, killing earthworms is murder.

Everyone deserves a chance, killing them outright because you're afraid they might suffer is wrong on so many levels.

No, they don't. If everyone got a chance to go to the shooting range (including psychotics that may or may not shoot everyone up), we'd be dead. They suffer, we suffer, noone's happy. It's more than just a might - it's more likely than not.

A life form that has a full set of human DNA is human life. What is up for debate in society is at what point in development is human life significant.

Again, by your reasoning, rocks are human life forms.

...No. A rock is not a life form of any kind.

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If they have human skin cells in them they are.

Rocks cannot replicate human DNA

If women have right to kill unwanted children, then Hitler had right to kill unwanted jews. That's all.

Of course a kurwa would say that. Women give birth to the children, and are expected to take care of them no matter what. But if they can't afford to feed and clothe the child, the child is neglected and possibly dies and the woman jailed. How is that fair to either party? Abortion is better than neglect because at least they don't have to suffer.

no, just give the child up for adoption if u cant afford it.

abortion is laziness.

My point is (directed at Martian) that just because something has human DNA dœs not mean that it is human life.

You're being intentionally dense. When Martian talks about something "having" human DNA, he means something that uses said DNA.


It's not killing anybody since they're not really living yet

Science has proven otherwise, but let me ask when do define a child as becoming a life form?

We can, by statistics, roughly predict the future. Weathermen do it all the time.

Roughly is the key word here. It's great that you use Weathermen as an example because Weathermen are so often wrong on the details. Also, Weathermen often predict ahead in a matter of days. You are saying we can predict human life over a matter of decades. This is not possible for there are too many variables, I don't care how many statistics you think you have.

It's not murder - they have no brain, their version of life is basically seeing some light flashes halfway through pregnancy, and having literally almost no cognition to determine what these light flashes are. By your definition, killing earthworms is murder.

They have no brain? (Let no one say that I haven't used any sources in this argument)
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/pregnancy-week-by-week/in-depth/prenatal-care/art-20045302
http://americanpregnancy.org/while-pregnant/first-trimester/
http://www.nrlc.org/archive/abortion/facts/fetaldevelopment.html
Brain is well formed enough by week 6 that brain waves can be detected.

If everyone got a chance to go to the shooting range
I was referring to the chance to live. As in, the right to actually be born and get a run at life without being murdered by your own parents.

abortion is laziness.

Oh sure, lemme just give up this AIDS infested kid to an orphanage. His life will be fantastic.

Oh sure, lemme just give up this AIDS infested kid to an orphanage. His life will be fantastic.

Dear God, Lawlz. Do you want to kill other people with AIDS too? This entire "cure the disease by killing the patient" attitude is downright disgusting. What's next? Are we going to kill every baby we discover to have Autism? (This actually has started to happen on a small scale, unfortunately...)

Do you want to kill other people with AIDS too?

Nah m8, they do it themselves

Lawlz:

Your Hitler in 1928

science has proven otherwise, but let me ask when do define a child as becoming a life form

When they're out of the womb/ready to come out/kicking. Science is nothing here - it's all opinion meanings.

Life according to the Oxford:

The period between the birth and death of a living thing, especially a human being.

Roughly is the key word here. It's great that you use Weathermen as an example because Weathermen are so often wrong on the details. Also, Weathermen often predict ahead in a matter of days. You are saying we can predict human life over a matter of decades. This is not possible for there are too many variables, I don't care how many statistics you think you have.

Roughly is an understatement - pretty well would be a better word to describe. And we're not predicting details - what they'll be, what exactly they're going to do, just if they will be bad or good and whether their life will be bad or good (almost certainly bad considering that if they want abortion in the first place, they don't want their child). Weathermen aren't made to get the details exact, and anyone who dœs is pretty gullible to believe them.

It's not murder - they have no brain, their version of life is basically seeing some light flashes halfway through pregnancy, and having literally almost no cognition to determine what these light flashes are. By your definition, killing earthworms is murder.

No brain was a hyperbole - notice I said literally almost no cognition.

I was referring to the chance to live. As in, the right to actually be born and get a run at life without being murdered by your own parents.

If someone else is eating pizza, you'll want pizza, too. If pizza isn't nearby or if pizza dœsn't exist (god forbid) then you won't want pizza. Same with life - if you don't know it exists (and know almost nothing, literally), then you won't be jealous.