Well getting 123 can also mean you read the map wrong.

If you get 126 and lose you've definitely made a mistake (it's happened to me and I knew it).

Picks 	#	Win%
1,7,7	124	26.6

lol :D Losing after your opponent got 2 random picks must look lovely.

Interesting thing I just noticed: if you don't get your first pick you have a definite disadvantage

Fizzer made a thread about that, if memory serves me right. Well see if I can find it.

EDIT: I can't find it :( I think he said something about the player who gets 1st pick wins 10% more games. This is all memory based through.

I can be confusing it with the rating formula. There 1st pick is valued as 10 points.

Edited 6/25/2015 00:36:27

Oh wow, this shit again? Try no one cares.

^ Ignore this troll.

Why are you so sad Cornucopia?

You sure seem to care!

He's not in Kansas anymore

what map? :)

I always do at least 6 picks, to avoid randomness.

Cornucopia: Oh wow, this shit again? Try no one cares.

What happened to rule #1: You shall be respectful to other players at all times.?

Edit: Once (in https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=8683194), I found out all 3 of a player's picks, on turn 0.

Edited 6/30/2015 20:40:28

I always do 7 picks, just to avoid the random one. I always new there was a slight possibility of getting a random one, but I've never had to use it.

I don't think that gives you any benefit. A "pick 7" scenario would be something like this:

Player A makes only 5 picks because he thinks he's read the map perfectly and that he should get at least 3 of his first 5 picks. Player B makes the same picks as Player A and ends up getting all 3 of theirs- so Player A is stuck with one random pick (a "pick 7").

Outside that, it's completely impossible to get a random pick if you make at least 6 picks each game. The only way to get a random pick is if you have an overlap of 3 or more picks with your opponent- the system doesn't just arbitrarily decide to screw you over, at least not to my experience. Yours might be different.

That's right, it is impossible to actually get your 7th pick in a 1v1 game with 3 starts. If both players pick the same 6 in order one of them will get 145 and the other will get 236.

(Also impossible to get your 6th AND either your 4th or your 5th.)

I think he said something about the player who gets 1st pick wins 10% more games.

Was this in games where both players picked the same pick as 1 or in all games? I would suspect the former.

You know, this data could totally change Warlight ladders/CLOTs. Bayeselo (which Fizzer uses or the ladders) does adjust for first-pick advantage using an experimental constant, but the one Coulon (maker of Bayeselo) derived came from chess- and I have no idea how Fizzer got his experimental constant.

So smileyleg's data can be used to get a good constant for first pick advantage. But it gets even better. Now we're even able to adjust for very specific situations (with more data, perhaps)- like getting 1,4,7 when your opponent gets 2,3,5. Or derive different constants for first-pick advantage depending on whether you had the same first pick.

If we had probabilities like that and were able to determine which changes were neglible and then go ahead and derive constants from the ones that weren't, well, that would totally change every CLOT out there and make the results much more accurate in the long run.

DanWL, how in hell do you think there could be a possibility to get the 7th pick when the total territory limit is 6?

Edit: When I had to use 6 of my picks, my first 3 picks were all gone and I was left with picks 4-6.

bullshit, you ALWAYS get at least 1 in your first 2 picks and if you get your 6th pick you DIDN'T get your 4th and 5th

Edited 6/25/2015 19:13:04

@Dan, with 3 picks per player it is impossible to get 7th. Don't attempt to argue this one; just accept it as fact, please.

bullshit, you ALWAYS get at least 1 in your first 2 picks and if you get your 6th pick you DIDN'T get your 4th and 5th

Is there a non-cyclic way to handle picks? I.e., a purely random one where the system decides between P1 and P2 for each picking turn until one of them has 3 starts.

Obviously not on the Strategic 1v1 template or the 1v1 ladder, but does one exist? I haven't seen it used, ever.

EDIT: to clarify, not that I would ever want to use it

Edited 6/29/2015 07:16:04

"a purely random one where the system decides between P1 and P2 for each picking turn until one of them has 3 starts."

Well, there is automatic distribution. and that is the only option to manual :)

Is there a non-cyclic way to handle picks?

There isn't. Even with random move order, once the game has decided priority the turn will happen in this fashion:
P1, P2, ... , Pn-1, Pn, Pn, Pn-1, ... P2, P1, P1, P2, ...

in a 1v1, it is always
P1, P2, P2, P1, P1, P2, ...

Ah. I almost want to try that, just to see how things would change now that I can no longer predict my pick combos (or at least rule out impossible ones like 1-2-6).

(or at least rule out impossible ones like 1-2-6)

But 1-2-6 is possible.