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Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 02:32:38


Benjamin628 
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A lot of people have done this in the past, General Arun, Pulsey, Turtle, but they all have major bias. I am using a mixture of ladder performances and clan league performances. Inactive players do not add anything to the clans statistics (Sorry [20]).

1. Masters - Steep Rise

Yes, not Apex or GG, it's definitely Masters now. New recruits include Sephiroth, Jz, #QB, Potato, Grosshandlaren, and slammy has returned! They have clenched victory of Group B, and will likely also finish first in A in Clan League 8. Their WGL performances are by far the highest, and their ladder performances are also very good.

2. Apex - Slight Rise

Apex is my #2, because even with their newest member Beren, and playing with Miyagi or Deadman, they barely have a full roster. Yet they still have major legends such as Timinator, Brisk, and Frank, who are seemingly active. Their ladder performances are weaker than Masters and GG's, because of their small clan.

3. GG - Slight Decline

Although likely to win Group A of Clan League 7, GG still seems to be below Apex in terms of skill. They have a new member MisterT, who held the #1 spot on the 1v1 Ladder for a bit. However, they have a true warlight legend, Latnox retiring. Also, GG is more isolated from the community, so new templates take longer to get to them, and they will have less practice on them for major tournaments. Their ladder performaces are the best at the moment, but they struggle to win WGLs.

4. [20] - Steep Decline

This clan is a shadow of it's former self. It has majorly declined over the years. Take a look at this beauty, I'll wait while you see the best clan in history:

https://web.archive.org/web/20140215020547/http://warlight.net/Clans/?ID=23

This clan would get 180+ points in clan league Group A. Too bad that was in 2013. Now, they only have players such as Szeweningen and Odin to lead them, everyone else is essentially inactive. Their ladder performances are poor, they only have the #4 spot because of Szeweningen and Odin.

5. WG (Originally P Clan) - No Change

Since it's beginning, it has lost a few major players such as JSA and Lolowut, but has gained from it's losses players like Gnuffone. Without any major recruits, WG will start to fall, in addition to their severe under performance in Clan League, but they remain strong in WGL events and Ladders.

6. French Clan - Slight Rise

Really, this clan's spot in the top 10 is basically a factor of if Wazz stays active, and Da Vici(Gui) stays loyal. If both of those things happen by Clan League 8, they can get 4th, and move up to that position on that list. Their Ladder performances are pretty weak, they rarely have more than 5 members ranked in the 1v1 Ladder, and the occasional Wazz playing RT Ladder and taking the #1 Spot.

7. Lynx - Slight Rise

This clan has a long history. Under the name 101st, they were quite successful. Now, they have created a new clan, climbed through the ranks of clan league, and are now in A and they may be here to stay. Blitz are not going to be able to maintain A (or maybe not even B), so Lynx probably has a spot for quite a bit, especially if WG is out of it. They recently gained Hades, who is a strong ladder player. Their WGL performances are moderate, mainly JSA, Darkpie, and Hades.

8. Turtles - Steep Rise

Under the leadership of an alt of Master Turtle, they have gained control of a promotion spot into Group A of Clan League. This means that they will truely be put to the test. Their lack of members holds them back, and their skill is quite strong, but they are rising quickly. Buns157, Sultan Kosmitov, Nackickwind, USA Biches, these four really got the clan back on it's toes and are now startings to become a great clan again.

9. VS - Slight Rise

Not a traditional style of top clan, VS are fairly large. An offshoot of the G-Spot clan, they have had a lot of time to develop their skill. Led by players like Glamorous and vicnus, they won Group D2 by a quite slim margin, but are far ahead of Yin Yang in terms of activity. You often see these members in Ladders, where they do quite well in the 50-150 range.

10. Blitz - Steep Decline

To Understand Blitz's Problem, lets take a look at their CL7 Group A Roster

Strat ME WR : Grosshandlaren - In Masters
Battle Islands: Wakanari
Greece: Jefferspin - Left Clan
Guiroma: Quicksand - In LT United
Strat ME SR: Quicksand - In LT United
Turkey: Wakanari

Strat ME SR: Linberson & #QB - In Masters
Guiroma: Quicksand - In LT United & Jefferspin - Left Clan
Szeurope: KKND & #QB - In Masters

Europe SR: KKND & Quicksand - In LT United & #QB - In Masters
Europe WR: KKND & Grosshandlaren - In Masters & #QB - In Masters

They basically got destroyed this clan league, losing players to other clans. That is why Blitz is my #10, although they still have quite some talent.
11. AHoL - Slight Decline
Drunk as hell, losing players

12. ONE! - Steep Rise
Offshoot from XS, has strong alts.

13. Warlighters - Slight Decline
Losing players, retirement, these guys are old.

14. VIW - Slight Decline
Lowering Activity

15. Illuminati - Lots of Change
Lost Piggy, new leader, Gained some new players.

16. M'Hunters - No Clue
I frankly have no idea what goes on inside this clan.

17. Stahlgewrittern - Slight Decline
These guys got some new members recently, and have some inactive legends.

18. AWF - Slight Rise
We lost Jz, but we have gotten three recruits since, and more to come.

19. CORP - Steep Rise
Originally an RP clan, but has almost no RP left.

20. Yin Yang - No Clue
Inactivity destroy's this clan's rank.

Honorable Mentions go to Olympus, BIA, 101st, Juggernauts, General Chous, Lu Fredd, Acme. CO.

Clans have been changing a lot recently. A lot of people may be upset, but the past is not here anymore, things are changing quickly, and I'm sorry that Apex isn't the #1 clan anymore, but it just isn't by any measure.

Edited 12/27/2015 04:38:16
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 02:50:44

Luna {TJC}
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Nice read that must have took a fair bit of effort to do so top job.
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 03:01:04


knyte 
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19. CORP - Steep Rise
Originally an RP clan, but has almost no RP left.


topkek

might wanna do actual research next time

Edited 12/27/2015 03:01:16
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 03:26:45


TBest 
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16. M'Hunters - No Clue
I frankly have no idea what goes on inside this clan.

^ It is hard to know what happens outside the players/clans you know/play with. This is the major problem with ranking clans these days.... there are too many clans to look into everyone's players. There are individual players that stand out from time to time, but clans are significantly harder to rank. (Does for example a poor player drag a clan down?)

Edited 12/27/2015 03:32:07
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 03:30:49


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Nice but I don't think there is only 20 clans.....you must do all till the lone gunman. No it's buts or bananas!
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 03:44:19


Sułtan Kosmitów 
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iI like it. reasonable arguments. nearly even-handed. read with pleasure.
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 03:50:33


Benjamin628 
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@SirSalty, Well past 20 or 30 it is hard to tell differences in skill, so ratings are quite pointless.

@knyte, I am basically saying that the amount of RP affiliation of CORP has decreased.

@TBest Maybe the fact that I clicked on a random M'Hunter's player and found him has something to do with it:

https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=1630163555

Another One

https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=6224924943

Another One

https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=2628329513

2/3 of these players seem completely inactive, and the third I have never seen play a game.

Edited 12/27/2015 03:51:47
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 04:16:02


[IM]YouMustBeKidding
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M'Hunters - No Clue
I frankly have no idea what goes on inside this clan.


fifi just took number 1 spot in the 2v2 ladder (and could just take number 1 spot by default again if he rejoined since his rating is higher than current number 1)

Also I heard from my inside connections that next season they want to take the clan league seriously, sending the big boys this time. This probably means that KKND will play for his real clan instead of going down with Blitz.
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 04:24:13


Benjamin628 
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Alright, see you on the battlefield :)
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 04:35:46

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This clan has a long history. Under the name 101st, they got destroyed in Clan League a few seasons back in Group A. Now, they have created a new name, climbed through the ranks, and are now in A and they may be here to stay.

Incorrect. Lynx never got destroyed in Group A a few seasons ago. We left 101st, therefore we weren't allowed to play in the Group A spot that we had earned. So 101st got destroyed in Group A, but not Lynx players. Basically, Lynx members had 3 straight promotion seasons (Went from B to A with 101st, then from C to B and B to A with Lynx), and this season was our first shot at Group A. Hopefully we can make up games Darkpie was booted in so that we won't risk relegation.
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 04:37:23


Benjamin628 
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Ah I remembered incorrectly, I will fix this.
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 04:43:06


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Lynx- Led by their fearless leader Blowfly, have somehow made it into League A. Aside from blowfly they are mostly comprised of noobs who can't tell their ass from a hole in the wall. 101st had once carried the lesser Lynx members to league A only to toss them aside like a red headed stepchild. Now due to luck and Darkpie's outstanding play, they have a chance to compete with the big boys.
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 04:46:48


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If you're taking current activity into account, I don't see how [20] is ranked 4th. They're basically just Sze, Odin, and Psy at this point unless Fridge is actually back.
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 04:54:41


Benjamin628 
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Send me a clan that can beat this - nobody plays team-games like 20. Even with lots of inactive players, they are easily the most skillful:

Guiroma: Sze, Psy
Strat ME SR: Odin, Psy
Szeurope: Sze, Odin

EU SR: Sze, Psy, Odin
EU WR: Sze, Psy, Odin


But you are right, I suppose it is hard to rank the top 5-10 clans without bias. Knyte - this is your calling.

Edited 12/27/2015 05:07:06
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 05:21:35


[IM]YouMustBeKidding
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20 still doesn't lose games like everybody else.

THIS IS 20
--> https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9528023
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 05:23:11


Benjamin628 
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Who says one edge case with a boot decides the entire skill of a clan? And they said you are smart, Norman.

Edited 12/27/2015 05:23:21
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 05:24:14


[IM]YouMustBeKidding
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Boot decided this game? What, come on... they got booted because they forgot to commit after 2 days 23 hours.

When I write "This is 20" then please read this in the tone of "This is Sparta" please.
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 05:34:31


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Good read. Hit the nail on the head with Illuminati. Though our clan will always be gaining new players and jettisoning old ones so 'Lots of Changes' will be there for awhile.
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 05:34:40


Benjamin628 
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I said its a game with a boot, never implying that the result of the game was because of a boot. Apparently your bot has more logic than you...
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 05:40:06


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Edited 12/31/2015 09:19:52
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 05:41:17


[IM]YouMustBeKidding
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You are a good boy Benjamin628, looking up to your heroes. However when you look closer and actually watch the games you see lots of bullshit going on when those shiny heroes play. As I played the 2v2 ladder I took the time to look into the games of my opponents / into the games of other contenders for number 1 spot. Without following victory for example the Master guy wouldn't have achieved rank 1: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9917204
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 05:46:23


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Thanks for the analyze Benjamin! i think you did a great Job. Maybe some Players would put some Clans about one rank higher or lower, but i really think you managed to make an accurate Picture of the actual Situation.

to norman: there is so much cheating/stalling on the ladders that i think you should give those Teams/Players credit who recieved their rank a fair way. there are boots. they might have lost that game, but it wasn't over and one guy got booted. end of the Story.
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 05:47:18


Benjamin628 
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@Da Vici I have seen a lot come from Phaeril, Ze & Niko, but you and Wazz seem to be the best two. Yes, now I understand that I rated 20 way too high. Yin Yang and M'Hunters are probably around 3 spots better than what i rated them.

Edited 12/27/2015 05:47:43
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 05:48:34


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Edited 12/31/2015 09:20:23
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 05:55:10


Benjamin628 
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Yes Norman, they won a game on a boot. They MAY have not been ranked number one, but frankly who cares. It's the damn 2v2 ladder, ALMOST universally accepted as a bad template.

As for kissing up to "My Heroes", I don't understand how that is relevant in this case at all. Some warlight players who are much better than me are not my heroes.
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 05:57:53


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I can be your hero, baby...
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 05:59:27


Benjamin628 
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Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 06:11:39

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However when you look closer and actually watch the games you see lots of bullshit going on when those shiny heroes play. As I played the 2v2 ladder I took the time to look into the games of my opponents / into the games of other contenders for number 1 spot. Without following victory for example the Master guy wouldn't have achieved rank 1:
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9917204



I get what you're trying to do here. You want to prove that you are the best. But you don't need to belittle everyone else that plays the ladder.

I honestly couldn't give a fuck about the rank 1 on any ladder if it's through stalling or cheating. I've been ranked 1 numerous times on both the 1v1 and RT ladders for half a day and not received that golden trophy most people seem to so desperately covet. Do I want to be the best player? Of course I do, but cheating and stalling your way to success is not my style.

I play the 2v2 ladder because I have a good time discussing strategy with my team mate and we are great friends. The banter alone makes it worth while.


The specific game you brought up was against Ottoman Emperor who has since retired from the game(at least that's what we were told on our clan chat). He also booted from many games and not just the one you linked to. Honestly, if we knew what Bjarke's income was, I'd have surrendered even after Ottoman's boot.

Here's all the games he booted, it's a pity you didn't "look closer and actually watch the games".
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10019247
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10035036
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10019246
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10025735
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9965618
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9971996
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 06:27:28


[IM]YouMustBeKidding
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You want to prove that you are the best. But you don't need to belittle everyone else that plays the ladder.

Nope, not this time. I just wasn't happy about Benjamins "the little finger of 20 can beat everyone". When they play competively they win some games and lose some games just as everybody else. No free 20 pass giving them an auto win.

Edit:
If I wanted to belittle someone I would have to attack Ragnarok however sadly he outplayed me fair and square and I learned my lesson.

Edited 12/27/2015 06:41:19
Benjamin628's Clan Rankings: 12/27/2015 07:31:56


Benjamin628 
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Didn't I say to Da Vici (also the founder of 20) when he tried to be constructive that I misranked them?
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