You are a good boy Benjamin628, looking up to your heroes. However when you look closer and actually watch the games you see lots of bullshit going on when those shiny heroes play. As I played the 2v2 ladder I took the time to look into the games of my opponents / into the games of other contenders for number 1 spot. Without following victory for example the Master guy wouldn't have achieved rank 1: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9917204

Thanks for the analyze Benjamin! i think you did a great Job. Maybe some Players would put some Clans about one rank higher or lower, but i really think you managed to make an accurate Picture of the actual Situation.

to norman: there is so much cheating/stalling on the ladders that i think you should give those Teams/Players credit who recieved their rank a fair way. there are boots. they might have lost that game, but it wasn't over and one guy got booted. end of the Story.

@Da Vici I have seen a lot come from Phaeril, Ze & Niko, but you and Wazz seem to be the best two. Yes, now I understand that I rated 20 way too high. Yin Yang and M'Hunters are probably around 3 spots better than what i rated them.

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Edited 12/31/2015 09:20:23

Yes Norman, they won a game on a boot. They MAY have not been ranked number one, but frankly who cares. It's the damn 2v2 ladder, ALMOST universally accepted as a bad template.

As for kissing up to "My Heroes", I don't understand how that is relevant in this case at all. Some warlight players who are much better than me are not my heroes.

I can be your hero, baby...

make a funny thread then

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/5248-bad-warlight-jokes

However when you look closer and actually watch the games you see lots of bullshit going on when those shiny heroes play. As I played the 2v2 ladder I took the time to look into the games of my opponents / into the games of other contenders for number 1 spot. Without following victory for example the Master guy wouldn't have achieved rank 1:
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9917204

I get what you're trying to do here. You want to prove that you are the best. But you don't need to belittle everyone else that plays the ladder.

I honestly couldn't give a fuck about the rank 1 on any ladder if it's through stalling or cheating. I've been ranked 1 numerous times on both the 1v1 and RT ladders for half a day and not received that golden trophy most people seem to so desperately covet. Do I want to be the best player? Of course I do, but cheating and stalling your way to success is not my style.

I play the 2v2 ladder because I have a good time discussing strategy with my team mate and we are great friends. The banter alone makes it worth while.


The specific game you brought up was against Ottoman Emperor who has since retired from the game(at least that's what we were told on our clan chat). He also booted from many games and not just the one you linked to. Honestly, if we knew what Bjarke's income was, I'd have surrendered even after Ottoman's boot.

Here's all the games he booted, it's a pity you didn't "look closer and actually watch the games".
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10019247
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10035036
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10019246
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10025735
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9965618
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9971996

You want to prove that you are the best. But you don't need to belittle everyone else that plays the ladder.

Nope, not this time. I just wasn't happy about Benjamins "the little finger of 20 can beat everyone". When they play competively they win some games and lose some games just as everybody else. No free 20 pass giving them an auto win.

Edit:
If I wanted to belittle someone I would have to attack Ragnarok however sadly he outplayed me fair and square and I learned my lesson.

Edited 12/27/2015 06:41:19

Didn't I say to Da Vici (also the founder of 20) when he tried to be constructive that I misranked them?

There is no such thing as total impartiality when it comes to things like 'Clan Rankings'. You can tell yourself that you will try to judge in an objective manner, but at the end of the day, you will be influenced by personal experiences and incomplete or flawed knowledge. I very much doubt you have played the majority of the players in these clans you have ranked, and even if so, 1 or 2 games won't give you the whole picture.

There is no discrete factor to measure Warlight prowess, it is a combination of skill, teammates, comfortable distribution of picks and playing style and sometimes pure luck. I usually don't have trouble against Masters in 3v3 Europe but last night I got wrecked in one of my games. Perhaps that will be the game that will be used to judge me. There are players of a similar calibre that I find are better teammates or opponents, but to which others disagree.

TLDR : Everyone who comments on clans are biased to various degrees. Qi is biased, JSA is biased, I am biased, and so are you.

Edited 12/27/2015 08:51:50

Benji , you still have many otyer clans to do , some with you know

GG slightly declining? That's where I stop.

Latnox is a major force in GG's power. I can try to argue with your guys, but at the end of the day I agree with JSA, Pulsey, and Da Vici, and even Norman.

This year Mike broke the number of wins in a row in 1v1 ladder (30).
Latnox got 1st on seasonal undefeated.
I broke the 2v2 ladder rating.
We currently hold 1st place in Clan League, and is very likely to have a podium finish.
Your analyze is subjective, not based on stats.
Latnox is a tremendous player, and his retirement is definitely a huge loss to us because it's hard to fill in for a player of his magnitude, however, he does not perform alone in CL, and there's a lot more in GG than just Latnox.

Nice list, was enjoyable to read.

In my opinion I would just kick 20 down a few places like others have said, they're just three active members at the moment. They can't compete in anything due to lack of active players, even if they did I doubt they could walk over everyone like people suggest from time to time on the forums.

I would put GG first followed by apex then masters.

Edited 12/27/2015 11:59:20

You have a non-objective view of WL.
I think Benjamin is trying to be recruited by Masters, that's the reason of this post.
You can maybe play better and increase your skills instead do such a forum post!

I hope Mike(GG) wins the seasonal ladder undefeated cause yippy i was the only one to beat him
Lucky me

Benjamin good thread good work sadly there are some changes
As for CORP i hope you someday realize that we are in a good rank than what you gave us
but well no one is perfect

Overall good job

@no one No Way, I'm happy where I am, and would decline an invite to Masters. Not to mention I'm not nearly skilled enough.

Edited 12/27/2015 12:26:54

@Prab I'd disagree. I'm pretty comfortable and happy with the rank we have. I'd actually be tempted to say Lu Fredd might be better, but I don't know how much they depended on Sephiroth, so I might be wrong.

EDIT: Also, where are SNinja?

Edited 12/27/2015 13:58:56