Damn.. I miss TWM :(

Looks like he dont read it. Whatever noone need to take ladders/rankings/pro scenes serious their are all manipulated.

Sephiroth has some good advise.

I suggest: review the games of good players (available on the ladder), thinking about what you'd do at each move, and trying to figure out why they did what they did. Play against good players, either in a clan, on a ladder, or tournaments. Don't waste your time on open games, except occasionally; you'll usually get matched against very bad players, and playing them won't help you improve.

Most of all, invest some time and thought into your games, both during the game, and after the game when you get a chance to review it. If you just play thoughtlessly, and never try to figure out what happened, you won't improve.

Edit: an alternate path to becoming a great player, is to convince yourself that you're already a great player. Other people may harbor doubts about your ability, and you may have to avoid ladders and tournaments; however, you'll get the satisfaction of feeling like a great player without having to think very hard.

Edited 12/28/2015 20:59:53

Play natural.

Don't steal other playstyles and watch WGL or Warlight Youtube.

Pick decent spots, expand decently, make decent delays before attacking and then attack right decently.

And then you win.

So...what your saying is all ya got to do is be decent, and you win?

It looks like this thread is just for fun. Whatever, if you have really problems with your skills, you cant do anything to improve them. I have never see a bad player become better, whatever happened.

By the way it doesnt matter anyway. You will never get a fair play especially in ladders.

@MRSKILL I'm unsure if you're a troll or just kind of dim. But you're pretty new, I have seen many bad players become better, that includes myself (I like to think I am decent now).

And the ladders are not perfect to judge people, since people cheat from time to time. But I would still say they're pretty reliable to judge if someone is a better player than someone else who is rated much lower.

Edit: Clicked your profile, you've played much more than me. I'm assuming you're joking.

Edited 12/28/2015 21:26:38

What's a good way to pratice for the RT ladder?

But im sure what kind you are.

And no, even the scientist say its impossible to get better.

There are many ways to manipulate ladders.

What are some good strategies for the RT ladder?

Edited 12/28/2015 21:40:18

I guess i haven't really played in it and want to pratice first. I know there are alot of templates to learn but wonder if there is more to it than that?

I'm not that good at RT ladder, but for learning the templates, I suggest playing RT ladder. Sure, you'll lose some games, but this is the quickest way to learn.

Edit: nice win rate

Edited 12/28/2015 21:45:52

Alright i guess i'll take the losses for abit and thanks been praticing what i can before i hit the big 43 to join the ladder.

it is true, that there are many varieties of game settings and maps, but don't let that overwhelm you. the vast majority you will see, follow similar rules in determining the winner.

if you want to practice rt ladder, you could always make games that copy the template, with others, multiday if you have to :P

rt ladder does not really let you focus on a specific template at a time, but at least you get matched up quicker now.

improving, here or anywhere, is all about mindset, ability is more about how fast/how much you improve, not whether you improve.



you can learn from your wins and your losses, if you have some understanding of strategy, picking, and such. if you won, why? what mistakes did your opponent make? did you allow your opponent a chance to make a comeback?

if you lost, in the most simplistic of analysis, find the turning points in the game.


self-analysis is as important as watching good players, since everyone has their quirks in their playstyle.

No time to get links, but someone linked Odin's guide, which is very good. M'Hunters also has a good guide, that is floating around somewhere. :))

p.s. try to find players about your skill level, or just a little higher up. The closer the game, the more you have to think about it, while having a realistic chance of winning. (This is for practicing what you learn. fighting a strong player is for learning, as any mistakes on your part will far more likely be punished)

Edited 12/28/2015 22:16:45

If you want to be good, be me.

If you have seen something incredible, its me.

Edited 12/29/2015 00:50:13

Thank you Koala.


And, MRSKILL, I guess you are just too amazing for the universe.

Maybe someone should give you a gold star.

Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never.

1) learn to read settings before joining game, they greatly affect how you should pick and expand optimally.

2) check games played on different settings (ladder games are good start, random tournament finals are also usually decent), go through history of the game and figure out when the game turned into someone's favor.

3) play more against skilled players (realtime ladder is good place to start), beating casual open games players is very easy compared to ladder or tournament matches.

4) analyse your games after you are done (check why you lost and what you could have done better, why didn't you think of that at the time?)

5) ask skilled players where you lost, if you ask they will often give some comment on where they thing the game turned

6) WGL is a nice place to test your skills with realtime games and commentary from skilled players, and we usually answer questions posted on the chat. so join us every saturday.

@mrskill
you don't have to join ladders to get beaten by me
just invite me to a normal game,and stop trolling about how ladders are being manupulated
whether people cheat or not,shouldn't mater to you if you just want to play for winning the game you are playing right now and have fun

Edited 12/30/2015 05:32:40