From a Canadian's perspective, I can say Obama is very popular over here.

The USA Dollar is very strong at the moment. The unemployment rate is at 5.5% while 200'000 jobs are being added monthly.

He began the process of normalizing relations between Cuba and the USA. He publicly offered his support on gay marriage and a gun control proposal. He blocked Keystone XL.

Also, Obamacare is just a natural step toward universal healthcare and is very welcomed.

Of course, there have been more drone strikes than before. We also can't forget the mass surveillance scandal. However, I think Obama still remains a very good president.

Unemployment rate numbers are never to be taken seriously. That goes for every nation's quota.

edit: Obamacare is illegal.

He's not a good president, either. He never was, so he can't "remain" good, anyway.

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But you're applying Canadian standards, values, and politics to judge him. So...yeah there's that difference of perspective.

we might have still been fooled by reports of iraq having wmds

I think you're ceding too much ground there. Just my opinion, tho. Perhaps you're 'just throwing them a bone'? :-) The reports themselves were only a tiny smidgen of the 'being fooled' dynamic. If the Bush administration was fooled -- if! -- then they wanted to be fooled, the same way groupthink works (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink). It's this latter case of groupthink that I'm arguing for, since it's much more easily demonstrable. Any other non-groupthinking administration wouldn't have encountered the same dynamics, e.g. Gore.

Ultimately, Bush is the one responsible for his administration, though I agree with you that nastier minds such as Cheney and Rumsfeld had tons of influence on this, and on Bush in general. I bet I'm more on the side of Bush being a true puppet than Jai is, so that's why I was so surprised he went there! XD

PS: For a relevant demonstration of the potentially catastrophic effects of groupthink, refer to the 1986 space shuttle Challenger disaster, which is a classic example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=refVQw5ZO9c

Feynman on the disaster: https://youtu.be/4kpDg7MjHps?t=2m30s

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@ wct

Your a jerkoff. Sorry, that's just how I feel. I just simply do not like you.

Good day.

@NAD: Congratulations.

Hey don't pick on Wct you ass....he's one of the only people I respect.

@JangoFett: No need. It's just the internet, after all. :-)

I respect a lot of people. But I don't have respect for a person who doesnt think a 13 year old is capable of basic mental thought and planning.

@NAD: Uh, what? When did I ever say any such thing?

The thread was starting off badly, I made a comment on the 2nd page which I hoped would start off some discussion but got entirely ignored, now this thread is just... retarded.

i dont get it
How can a Canadian think Obama is a good president.
He shit all over your country
Would rather buy oil from Saudi Arabia than our friends to the north.
Pathetic and a huge slap in the face to Canadians

Only Canada's conservative government wanted to reach a deal with Obama about Keystone XL. A majority of Canadians opposed this pipeline. We are very thankful to Obama for blocking it.

It's one of the many reasons why a new liberal government has been elected not long ago.

I can assure you won't hear about Keystone XL for a very long time.

Are there any other reason we're supposed to dislike Obama?

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Simply the best !

Majority of Americans don't like him ( in most polls )

Better than anyone !

Benjamin is 13.

How is that at all relevant to the conversation?

Nah guys Jon Stewart is Superior

How is that at all relevant to the conversation?

It is irrelevant to you; the sentence was addressed to someone else.

Only Canada's conservative government wanted to reach a deal with Obama about Keystone XL. A majority of Canadians opposed this pipeline. We are very thankful to Obama for blocking it.

It's one of the many reasons why a new liberal government has been elected not long ago.

I can assure you won't hear about Keystone XL for a very long time.

Are there any other reason we're supposed to dislike Obama

...

Wow, you're dumb.

I'm still waiting for the hope and change boyz

"Wow, you're dumb."


Don't you love when you just want a calm debate and someone have no argument left and just start throwing out insults?

I'll quietly take my leave from this topic. xD

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"Wow, you're dumb."


Don't you love when you just want a calm debate and someone have no argument left and just start throwing out insults?

I'll quietly take my leave from this topic. xD

He just doesn't want to waste time on your absurdity, is all. You are not dumb, you're just ignorant. You take into consideration everything good (in your view) Obama's actions have done for CANADA, but nowhere and nothing else. He has plenty of argument left, but since you are so blind to President Obama's cons, why should he try to open your eyes to them? The cons are there in front of our faces.

Darth Darth Binks, you might have missed my other reply at the top of this page. I commented about the economy, among other things, in it.

I never claimed I know everything. Why don't you tell me in a serious, unbiaised and impartial way why Obama is a terrible president for the USA?

There have been more tensions with African Americans. Can't deny that. There has been the mass surveillance scandal involving Snowden. Can't forget about that one either. There have been more drone strikes than before. I have to admit it.

But the USA dollar is strong. There have been more jobs and a lower unemployment rate despite an higher debt. You also gained gay marriage and better relations with Cuba. Obamacare is a step toward universal healthcare.

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Why don't you tell me in a serious, unbiaised and impartial way why Obama is a terrible president for the USA?

This may be long.

1) $7.5 Trillion - Amount Added To The National Debt Despite Obama's 2010 State Of The Union Declaration That He Would Not Leave "A Mountain Of Debt." (U.S. Treasury Department, Accessed 1/14/15; President Barack Obama, Remarks On The State Of The Union, Washington, D.C., 1/27/10)

2) $1.8 Trillion - Cost Of ObamaCare's Coverage Provisions Through 2024. (CBO, 4/14/14)

3) $869.3 Billion - Total Taxes In ObamaCare. (JCT, 6/15/12; CBO, 4/14/14)

4) $95 Billion - Cost Of New Regulations Added Since Obama Became President. (American Action Forum, 1/6/15)

5) $3.4 Billion - How Much The Construction Of The Keystone Pipeline Would Contribute To GDP According To A State Department Review. (United States Department Of State, 1/14)

6) 13 Million - Average Number Of Americans Who Have Joined The Food Stamp Program Since FY 2009. (Department Of Agriculture, Accessed 1/14/15)

7) 7 Million - Number Of Americans Who Will No Longer Have Employer-Sponsored Health Insurance Due To ObamaCare. (Congressional Budget Office, 4/14/14)

8) 5.5 Million - Americans Who Have Fallen Into Poverty Since Obama Became President. (U.S. Census Bureau, Accessed 1/14/15)

9) 401,000 - Construction Jobs Lost Since Obama Became President. (Bureau Of Labor Statistics, Accessed 1/14/15)

10) 321,000 - Manufacturing Jobs Lost Since Obama Became President. (Bureau Of Labor Statistics, Accessed 1/14/15)

11) $56,492 - Current Debt Per Capita Under Obama. (U.S. Census Bureau, Accessed 1/14/15; U.S. Treasury Department, Accessed 1/14/15)

12) 42,100 - Number Of Jobs The Construction Of The Keystone Pipeline Would Support Over Two Years According To A State Department Review. (United States Department Of State, 1/14)

13) $21,724 - Increase In Debt Per Capita For Americans Since Obama Took Office. (U.S. Census Bureau, Accessed 1/14/15; U.S. Treasury Department, Accessed 1/14/15)

14) $4,154 - Increase In Family Health Care Premiums Under Obama. (The Kaiser Family Foundation, 9/10/14)

15) $2,484 - Decline In Median Household Income Since Obama Became President. (U.S. Census Bureau, Accessed 1/14/15)

16) 1978 - The Last Time The Labor Force Participation Rate Was At Its Current level. (BLS, 1/24/14)

17) 677 - Individuals Who Have Been Through Obama's Revolving Door. (Center For Responsive Politics, Accessed 1/12/15)

18) 215 - Rounds Of Golf Obama Has Played Since He Has Taken Office. (Mark Knoller, Twitter Feed, 12/31/14; Mark Knoller, Twitter Feed, 1/4/15)

19) 174 - Number Of Days Obama Has Spent All Or Part On Vacation. (CBS News, 12/22/14; Mark Knoller, Twitter Feed, 1/4/15)

20) 32.8 - Average Number Of Weeks Someone Will Be Unemployed. (BLS, 1/14/15)

21) 14.5% - Poverty Rate In 2013. Up from 13.2% before Obama became President (U.S. Census, Accessed 1/23/14)

22) Scandals (this is my favorite) - IRS targeting Republican and Conservative groups, Benghazi Terrorist Attack, Spying on the Associated Press, the ATF "Fast and Furious" Scheme, Sebelius payment demand, The Pigford Agriculture Department Scandal, Veterans Affairs in Disney World and neglecting vets, Solyndra, New Black Panthers Voter Intimidation, The hacking of Sharyl Attkisson’s computer, NSA Spying on American People, Calling ISIS the "JV" team, Waging war by attacking Libya without Congressional approval, and the Bowe Bergdahl swap

Is this factual enough for you??

LET ME KNOW IF YOU NEED ANYMORE. I got tons of oppo reserach!! :)

Not. Ronald. Reagan.