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8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 04:17:01


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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This is for any potential person living in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, or Nevada:

1) Few Actual Policies - Presidential contenders typically offer detailed policy papers on how they would tackle through legislative means complex and current issues facing the nations. Beyond his pledge to build a "great wall" (which China already did) and deport millions of illegals, he's offered no substantive plans on how to "make America great again". His website offers only 5 short position papers that are vague at the least and simplified at best. Those 5 topics are - Tax Reform, Immigration Reform, US-China Relations, Second Amendment Rights, and Veterans Administration Reform.

2) Ignorance About Government - Even with the best advisers, a president needs to understand how government operates. Trump didn’t know what the nuclear triad was when asked in December’s debate, nor in November’s debate that China wasn’t a party to the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which is intended to counter that country’s economic influence. (The nuclear triad is the doomsday force of land-based missiles, long-range bombers and submarine-launched missiles that the President can order used if America is attacked). Even worse is that he's running as a Republican, yet does not understand the fundamental plank of the GOP - a limited government. Does Trump remember Jefferson, the father of the Common Man? Does he remember John Calhoun or Henry Clay, the champions of State's Rights? Does he remember Senator Taft, and the importance of non-interventionism and limited military power?

3) Inconsistency - Politicians can change over time, as President Reagan famously demonstrated in his path from Hollywood union organizer to Republican stalwart. But rarely do positions change as fast as Trump’s do. As recently as 2008, he praised Hillary Clinton, writing that “I know Hillary and I think she’d make a great president or vice-president.” In 2004 he told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, “I probably identify more as Democrat.” This from the Republican front-runner. He's changed his mind on everything from his wife to abortion, from taxing the rich to his party affiliation. We need a President who we can trust...who's consistent. The only thing Trump can promise you is a different promise in a couple of months.

4) Overconfidence — Americans appreciate a President who has the confidence to lead, especially in challenging times. Trump describes himself as “a really smart person,” frequently mentioning his Ivy League education. He promises to personally out-negotiate Iran, Mexico, Russia, China and any other international foe. What he does lack is humility. "The problem with the world is that intelligent people are full of doubts and the stupid ones are full of confidence."

5) Loose With Facts — Politicians always stretch the truth, but Americans expect their President to level with them. Trump not only lies, but doubles down on those lies. Examples include saying that Muslims in New Jersey cheered 9/11, that vaccines cause autism, that President Obama wasn’t born in the United States and that global warming is a hoax perpetrated by China to close U.S. factories.

6) Draft Dodger — The potential commander in chief missed his opportunity to serve. Trump wasn’t drafted because of “bone spurs” in his feet that have since miraculously vanished. American men who came of age during the Vietnam War know exactly what that means.

7) Poor Example for Children — Generations of American parents have inspired their children to grow up to be President. But a would-be President who insults women, spews profanity, is on his third wife, and calls anyone who disagrees with him a “loser” may not be someone to look up to.

8) He's not a Conservative - We've had 7 years of Obama. 7 years of regulation, deficit spending, military interventionism, NSA spying, 2% GDP growth, sanctuary cities, saber-rattling with Russia, and blatant progressivism that seeks to erode State's Rights at the expense of individual liberty. We need a Conservative. In 2012 we chose Romney over Santorum or Paul. In 2008 we chose McCain over Huckabee or Paul. In 1996 we chose Dole over Buchanan. In 1992 we George Bush Senior over Buchanan. In 1988 we chose Bush Senior over Pat Robertson. In 1976 we chose Gerald Ford over Reagan. In 1972 we chose Nixon over Ashbrook. In 1968 we chose Nixon over Reagan. In 1952 we chose Eisenhower over Taft and Warren. In 1948 we chose Dewey over Taft. In 1940 we again chose Dewey over Taft. We've voted tirelessly and relentlessly for the choice of the Establishment, of the half-Conservatives, of those so ever willing to stab grassroots conservatives in the back and vote for the same liberal policies bankrupting our country. If you think Trump will change things...will reverse the excesses of Obama, you are wrong. Trump is the establishment pick. The establishment doesn't want Cruz or Rand Paul. Why? Because they fear the very conservatism they claim to be the standard-bearers of. A vote for Trump is not a vote for a conservative.
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 04:28:48


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8 reasons to vote for Trump:

1) He literally wrote the Art of the Deal.

2) He's going to build a giant wall on the border with a beautiful gate, and make Mexico pay for it.

3) He's going to be the best President in American history. It's an easy decision.

4) He's been endorsed by Jimmy McMillan and Vladimir Putin.

5) He's a successful New York city businessman; all he had to start out with was a small loan of a million dollars from his father.

6) He's going to make America great again. Right now, if you look at the world, China, Mexico, Russia- they're winners. But we're losers. He's going to make us winners again!

7) He's the only candidate in the race right now to completely fund himself- no black money whatsoever. He's not beholden to the will of any billionaires funding his campaign.

8) He's a winner. He's a genius. His competition? They're all losers- look at Jeb!, Ted, John. Some of them are polling at <1%- but Mr. Trump's been above 30% despite everything the media does to hurt him. He's been supporting vets, supporting America all this time, and he's winning no matter what.
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 04:30:56

[wolf]japan77
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Trump is the abomination created by the Republican party attempting to win over people that want to go back to the 1950s.

He literally solidifies practically every stereotype of the Republican party, which is kind of funny.

Also, @knyte, for #7, could you potentially also include sanders into that category?

Edited 2/1/2016 04:31:49
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 04:37:23


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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attempting to win over people that want to go back to the 1950s.

How ignorantly wrong. People in the 1950s didn't condone a man who's been married 3 times to be president. People in the 1950s wouldn't stand with a man who's been favorable towards planned parenthood and same sex marriage. People in the 1950s wouldn't stand with a man who favors a single payer healthcare system. People in the 1950s wouldn't stand with Donald Trump and you're foolish to associate Trump supporters as traditional conservatives of the Old Right. Trump supporters are moderate democrats. They don't care about how big government. They don't care about social issues. They don't care about higher taxes for the rich.
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 04:41:12


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So what's interesting to me is that not only do you seem horrified of a Trump presidency but you think you can have a meaningful impact against it by posting to OT on this site. Why not hit up a larger forum where most of the people can/will actually vote? I hope you're already doing so, but I don't think it's very likely.

Maybe if people like you organized better, people like might have to worry about Trump losing the election.

Edited 2/1/2016 04:41:47
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 04:50:36


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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I hope you're already doing so, but I don't think it's very likely.

I've posted to these sites as of now: RepublicanForum.com, RepublicanOperative.com, Topix.com, FreeRepublic.com, GOPBriefingRoom, and WL.

Maybe if people like you organized better, people like might have to worry about Trump losing the election.

People like me? Also how much do you know about my life knyte? What makes you think I haven't "organized" or participated against Trump? There's a reason I was in New Hampshire this summer for 2 months...and it wasn't to volunteer for Trump.

Also why do two liberals who aren't going to vote in Republican primaries care about this post? Go back to reading The Nation or watching MSNBC.

Edited 2/1/2016 04:54:55
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 05:04:32


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Also why do two liberals who aren't going to vote in Republican primaries care about this post? Go back to reading The Nation or watching MSNBC.


I hate to break it to you but this is only making Trump more popular. If Pro Black Lives Matter Progressives and 1950s Victorian Conservatives both agree that Trump sucks, then people in between are going to think that he's probably all right. You make a few good points but they are overshadowed by all the proselytizing nonsense.
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 05:13:10


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4) He's been endorsed by Jimmy McMillan and Vladimir Putin.


Oh god...oh god...OHHHH LORDY!!
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 05:15:04

[wolf]japan77
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Also why do two liberals who aren't going to vote in Republican primaries care about this post? Go back to reading The Nation or watching MSNBC.

Wow, I have issues with this statement
1. For my sources, I pull from everybody, CNN, FOX(despite me hating it), BBC, Washington post, NY times, NBC, and Anyone else with an interesting view of the topic.
2. I can't actually vote
3. I live in texas, so I sort of have to pay attention to this stuff if I don't want to get shot, so if I get into a discussion with someone outside Austin, I can fake myself into being a semi-conservative(I've done this about 2 times)
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 05:38:07


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8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 06:05:01


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I live in texas, so I sort of have to pay attention to this stuff if I don't want to get shot, so if I get into a discussion with someone outside Austin, I can fake myself into being a semi-conservative(I've done this about 2 times)

Stop being a little bitch.

Edited 2/1/2016 06:05:18
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 07:12:25


[Wolf] Relmcheatham
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4) He's been endorsed by Jimmy McMillan and Vladimir Putin.


He is also endorsed by Tila Tequila (A girl who thinks the earth is flat,she is a goddess who has ascended farther then Jesus to where she is a all seeing goddess), and Gary Busey.




@Japan The Republican party did not make Donald Trump. To say Donald Trump is the stereotypical Republican is the same as saying Hilary Clinton is the most trustworthy person on the planet.

Edited 2/1/2016 07:15:59
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 07:34:08


knyte 
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Also why do two liberals who aren't going to vote in Republican primaries care about this post? Go back to reading The Nation or watching MSNBC.


I don't read The Nation or watch MSNBC, although now I'm curious as to why you're making that assumption. Maybe you only pay attention to sources that agree with you and think everyone else does the same? Hope not.

It's a big world out there, Sandeep. Turns out not everyone who disagrees with you is irrational or ignorant. Crazy, huh?

On that note, though, I think Trump is trashed too much. He's a populist candidate- in some ways a modern William Jennings Bryan (with some semi-unworkable policies that some economically/politically disenfranchised groups really love)- but I think we're going to see his influence on American politics in the next few elections and eventually watch them define a new mainstream in the Republican party.

I'd personally be totally fine with a Trump presidency; if we survived Bush, we'll easily survive Trump when it comes to foreign policy. Economically, well, he likely has the connections to pull in good advisors. He definitely appeals to a lot of people- especially in the working class- and, like people say, it's nice to hear someone speak up about what a lot of people think everyone's been feeling all along.

Edited 2/1/2016 07:38:23
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 08:02:01


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That was good knyte
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 10:40:21


Thomas 633
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More importantly for a non-Trump supporter:

Iowa: TRUMP HATES CORN!
New Hampshire: I have no idea.
South Carolina: HE'S A YANK
Nevada: HE HATES CASINOS!
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 12:30:02


Darth Darth Binks
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Nevada: HE HATES CASINOS!

Casinos hate Trump is more like it.
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 12:59:01


[WOLF] Colonel H Cardwell
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You accused Trump of lying about the following things:

Saying that Muslims in New Jersey cheered 9/11

This isn't completely untrue. Most Muslims in the West are ignorant of their own religion due to the encouragement of secularism, and saw their identities as Muslims as political so they were indifferent to 9/11.

that vaccines cause autism

There is medical evidence to prove this claim. Don't believe everything the media tell you.

that President Obama wasn’t born in the United States

He had valid reason to believe this. Barrack Obama grew up in Indonesia, and there is nothing American about him apart from his accent.

and that global warming is a hoax perpetrated by China to close U.S. factories

Well, I haven't heard a better explanation for the recent global freeze.


Despite this, I sincerely hope Trump fails for America's sake... we need you to be the world police, albeit in your own territory. Stop encroaching on Russia's influence, it's impolite!

Also, name for me a politician that doesn't regularly lie... exactly. At least Trump is straightforward.

Edited 2/1/2016 12:59:16
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 14:10:43


Major General Smedley Butler
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They've found out what causes autism, a viral infection during pregnancy.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/305735.php

So maybe the Autism-Vaccine theory will die.
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 15:11:21

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"4) He's been endorsed by Jimmy McMillan and Vladimir Putin."


You're not really suggesting that Putin endorsing a candidate is a good thing right?

"He had valid reason to believe this. Barrack Obama grew up in Indonesia, and there is nothing American about him apart from his accent."

This is nonsense. He was born in 1961, in the US. In 1967 he moved to Indonesia. In 1971 he moved back to the US to attend school.

Living in Indonesia from the age of 6 till 10 does not constitute "growing up in Indonesia" nor does it constitute "being unAmerican"

What your argument does constitute though is being an uninformed idiot.

Edited 2/1/2016 15:14:56
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 15:38:32


{Canidae} Kretoma
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What global freeze?! It had 17 degrees on Christmas!
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 16:00:04


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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I don't read The Nation or watch MSNBC, although now I'm curious as to why you're making that assumption. Maybe you only pay attention to sources that agree with you and think everyone else does the same? Hope not.

This doesn't make much sense. The Nation is a progressive magazine...they endorsed Sanders. MSNBC is a liberal-biased network. Both of those sources do not agree with me on literally any topic of politics except maybe foreign policy. The only reason I use them is well, because different viewpoints is health for democracy and for an individual. You're rational enough to agree with this right?
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 16:19:38


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There's a reason I was in New Hampshire this summer for 2 months...and it wasn't to volunteer for Trump.


What the fudge???

You actually went to New Hampshire to campaign against Trump? For two months???
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 16:31:17


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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For Rand Paul, against Trump...same thing. Anyway its good to exercise one's civic responsibility. Besides, I've always wanted to volunteer for a presidential campaign. Its really fun!
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 17:10:40


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The only reason I use them is well, because different viewpoints is health for democracy and for an individual. You're rational enough to agree with this right?


I think I was unclear- I was wondering why you assumed I would only read The Nation and watch MSNBC. Clearly, if you read sources that disagree with you- it's not like there's a sudden IQ cliff when someone becomes a liberal that keeps them from functioning as a human being.

Also, I can't believe you wasted 2 months of your life. But I guess the toxic pharma internship scene is different from the tech one.

Edited 2/1/2016 17:11:29
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 17:15:55


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"Also, I can't believe you wasted 2 months of your life."
Says the guy wasting his life on internet risk
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 17:29:56


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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I was wondering why you assumed I would only read The Nation and watch MSNBC

You misunderstood. I didn't think you only read The Nation and watch MSNBC. It was a just a joke. The equivalent would be if someone told me to go back to reading the Wall Street Journal and watching Fox News. Both of which I rarely do.

But I guess the toxic pharma internship scene is different from the tech one.

Getting a biotech or pharmaceutical internship without at least a bachelor's degree (which I have not attained yet) is almost impossible. The demand far exceeds the supply...besides its not like I'll have time again in 4 years to volunteer for a presidential election, so it seemed like a good opportunity.
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 17:46:34


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@GeneralPE: The opportunity cost of this is playing around with React.js. Not on the same level as what you could do instead with 2 months of your life (at the very least, a vacation- or research).

@Jai: Figures. Guess you've got Genentech to look forward to, though- or something of that ilk. I don't know where toxic pharma's end up, actually. I just figured you'd be doing research rather than supplying free labor to a millionaire.
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 18:20:56


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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I have no interest though in moving to silicon valley. Besides NJ is still a major biotechnology and pharmaceutical hub, so there's tons of opportunity here post-college, its just those opportunities are limited for undergrads. And yeah research is my preferred choice over industrial...but again the only actual college with high end scientific research in this state is Rutgers. Besides Genetech is mostly focused on cancer and Alzheimer's research, and my current topic of interest is the effectiveness and neurochemical effects of drugs used in the treatment of brain aneurysms.
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 18:41:22


knyte 
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Ah, that sound pretty cool! I figured there'd be more research going on in NJ, given Princeton and whatnot.
8 Reasons Not to Vote For Trump: 2/1/2016 19:09:14


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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Hahaha yeah but I'm trying to be realistic...I think Princeton is a reach for me to be honest. There are tons of brighter talent in my field...I would be satisfied with research at Rutgers to be honest (they're underrated in my opinion).
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