Neither Illuminati nor the Apalachian WarLight Federation won so it's completely fair that they don't get promoted and should be thankful for not having to start at the bottom. The rules were clear and I'm glad that ChrisCMU doesn't give in to their constant lobbying.

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@Norman, your first statement is stupid. Did 101st 'win' Division C and yet they promoted when there was room? Winning a division has nothing to do with promotion, its about getting the right rank at the right time.

But to Hydra replacing Illuminati, Clan League management decided this season that players make up a clan not the other way around with their decision to have ONE! replace XS. Hydra is the continuation of replace Illuminati and AWF in Division D. Not letting in Hydra would be a direct contradiction of a sound argument.

As to the comment on lobbying, I am only here because I believe people deserve to know what is going on with Clan League. There is nothing wrong with lobbying.

How many clans in D had more points than Illuminati? Were it 4 clans or 5? I don't remember. Illuminati scored minimally higher than M'Hunters however we never even mentioned something about replacement games for all our boots. Illuminati gave it their best shot last clan league season and scored somewhere in the center of the lowest D division. M'Hunters might like to trash talk about beating the crap out of the other clans however at the end of the day if we get defeated we accept out defeat.

Edited 5/6/2016 13:08:28

AHOL drops out -> extra promotion of 101st from C to B and Yin Yang from D to C.
BR drops out -> no extra promotion because fuck you.

How many clans in D had more points than Illuminati? Were it 4 clans or 5?

Norman please stop trolling. 1 clan had more points than Illuminati in Division D: Lu Fredd. Which already promoted. 2 clans got more points than AWF: VS and Yin-Yang. Which both got promoted.

Therefore, both clans merging, having both been a clan in contest for promoting, would mean that Hydra promotes, obviously...

> we never even mentioned something about replacement games for all our boots.
> however at the end of the day if we get defeated we accept out defeat.

Obviously not. You contradict yourself way too much. You literally were just like:

> Make excuse for not winning
> Says that he "accepts defeat"

I'm sorry Norman, but you are a shit troll.

Norman please stop trolling. 1 clan had more points than Illuminati in Division D: Lu Fredd. Which already promoted. 2 clans got more points than AWF: VS and Yin-Yang. Which both got promoted.

For the "unplanned" promotions ChrisCMU used the total points of D1 and D2.

Obviously not. You contradict yourself way too much.
No I don't. There was some talk about forced replacement games (at least for division A). We didn't start whining to the clan league management about how unfair it was that we didn't also got our replacement games.

I'm sorry Norman, but you are a shit troll.

You're a troll.

Edited 5/6/2016 13:45:19

I prefer the word shitposter, but I don't deny it ;)

Point is: no matter which clan you take the points from (AWF or Illuminati) either one would have promoted in the event of a free spot in C. Why deny Hydra and Poon Squad from promoting when other clans like 101st, Olympus and Yin-Yang got promoted for the same reason...

The fact you failed to ask for replacement games, and if they were with Illuminati I would have more or less forced Illuminati players to refuse those games, isn't anyone else's problem other then your own.

And if you honestly thought that was the best of Illuminati you are showing yourself to be a joke Norman. Illuminati's management and lineup was a mess going into last season, thrown together like the M'Hunters lineup. Both our clans didn't perform last season because there were problems in developing a solid lineup. So insinuating that Illuminati fell apart is wrong, I was hoping for a 4th place finish which we over performed my expectations.

and if they were with Illuminati I would have more or less forced Illuminati players to refuse those games

Cool and if I had intrigued hardcore enough your refused replacement games would have counted as losses for Illuminati. However there were no secret messages to ChrisCMU. As probably every clan we started the clan league assuming that a boot would result into a loss and as we got our boot losses we weren't happy with them however we didn't try to change the rules in our favor.

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That's *totally* irrelevant Norman, stop arguing that.

Point is, no matter what scenario Hydra are worthy to be promoted because both clans placed highest in each division disregarding the clans already promoted. right? Or are you going to somehow argue this pure logic?

Norman shut up. This is CL8, you didn't partake in CL7. If I remember correctly you said we didn't need some stupid league to prove we were the best. Whats done is done. Chris is in charge here and you're once again derailing a notable thread.

Point is, no matter what scenario Hydra are worthy to be promoted because both clans placed highest in each division disregarding the clans already promoted. right? Or are you going to somehow argue this pure logic?

GreatExpanse called the template release premature after all clans waited for multiple months. JingJang got promoted pretty fast after Clan League 7. You could argue for the new Hydra clan getting promoted to C as well as you could argue about them having to start from the bottom however at some point (and this point has past) you should call stuff fixed. In another thread knyte said Hydra had a little more skill than M'Hunters and I'd like to fight it out now.

You could argue for the new Hydra clan getting promoted to C as well as you could argue about them having to start from the bottom

That's a non-sense. I think the clan doesn't matter but the players, plus it's too easy to go arround this rule. Every Hydra player moves back to Illuminati, then you change the clan name to Hydra and the Hydra clan to Illuminati.

The problem is fixed. But I defent that would be a very stupid and unecessary thing to do, for all that matters Hydra = Iluminati + Apalachians. So please stop fucking off.

If there's room for promotion, they should be promoted. Don't be a selfish egoist that doesn't want them to be promoted just because M'Hunters weren't capable to get promoted in such a weak roster.

I like Norman doesn't understand my point as I'm not trying to change any rules. I only want precedent for promoting additional clans enforced. All Norman wants is to fight and argue, disregarding logic along the way.

I'm not the guy derailing the thread but the guys like TeamGuns attacking me on a basis of stuff that I never said.

So please stop fucking off.
Watch your language please.

Don't be a selfish egoist that doesn't want them to be promoted just because M'Hunters weren't capable to get promoted in such a weak roster.
That's your interpretation. My own interpretation is that OxTheAutist wants them to get promoted so CORP has better chances to score second.

I think the clan doesn't matter but the players
I just skipped over the last clan league 7 Division D1 thread and a ton of players having played for Illuminati aren't part of Hydra (https://www.warlight.net/Forum/112992-clan-league-7-division-d1-official-thread).

Edited 5/6/2016 15:51:35

Norman what do you want really? Should MHunters get promoted or would you prefer that no clan gets promoted at all?
Also see it that way: it's better for your clan if the competition gets promoted, cause then it's more likely that your clan gets promoted next season too.

Instead of all trying to show you have the biggest mouth on the forum you could just also just patiently wait until the people in charge of clan league make an official statement about BR dropping out. In fact you are spamming this thread like crazy and Chris didn't even notice eddy announced their dropout.

No decision has been made regarding promoting another clan or not so instead of all shouting about clan league management being unfair it would better to wait for an actual decision from our side

Watch your language please.

I don't know if there's a more appropriated phrase for your behaviour on the forums.

That's your interpretation. My own interpretation is that OxTheAutist wants them to get promoted so CORP has better chances to score second.

As could you, Hydra is the only competition against M'H with an outside shot from CORP. Plus, without BR there will be 3 promotion spots this season, so trying to get out Hydra here to have less competition don't make a lot of sense seriously.

The only argument that makes sense to me is that you don't want them to move up in a selfish way. Because there's no other good explanation to this anti-Hydra move from you here.

I just skipped over the last clan league 7 Division D1 thread and a ton of players having played for Illuminati aren't part of Hydra

If Chris decided that Hydra took the spot of Illuminati/Appalachians because the clan is a natural heir of them, I think the debate ends here, and Hydra has all rights concerning the old clans. If Chris decided otherwise, as I said before, everyone could just move back to Illuminati and change the clan name.

Case closed.

Edited 5/6/2016 16:08:32

Hello

Norman what do you want really? Should MHunters get promoted or would you prefer that no clan gets promoted at all?
I wanted M'Hunters to get promoted in a fair fight however we failed last season.

Also see it that way: it's better for your clan if the competition gets promoted, cause then it's more likely that your clan gets promoted next season too.
Let me take a look at what Knyte posted for the Hydra getting promoted scenario:
- M'Hunters
- CORP
- General Chou Frise's Winter Wonderland Brigade
- Footballguys
- The Lost Wolves
- {Olympus}
- The Poon Squad
Playing against the old LAWLZ clan could be fun however what about the other clans? General Chou is about having animal friends, I also like animals, there is no room for a clan war here. And then there is the Poon Squad which is just disgusting. Apart from that I believe that after this season the promotion system will change and next season we can then already face the current league A clans.