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Manager League: 2/23/2016 16:53:17


Deadman 
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And Ameter should go to Audax and Corvus to Natalim no ?
and yes Ameter should went to Audax and Corvus to Natalim, there is inaccuracy in sheet

Ameter was bought by Audax. Am I missing something? Corvus should not go to Natalim though. Natalim has a max game count of 25. She already has 2 players with game counts of 10 each. If she gets Corvus, it takes her up to 30 games, which exceeds her max game count limit.

Did we need so many complications ? You need an MBA to manage in this league :-)).

I've only outlined the algorithm used to resolve bids for the sake of transparency. Managers do not need to know about this as such. Just make bids, and we'll take care of the rest. From a manager's perspective, they roughly need to estimate how many max players, and how many game slots they want to fill from a certain round. They can also be conservative, and not bid much in the initial rounds. There will be a final round(See round 7) for all players left in the pool.

Making a non RT auction is hard. If everyone feels that the system is too complicated, I'm open to trying something simpler. But I think once folks are familiar, it won't be too bad :)

I'm actually really confused by this, is there a page showing which players are being bid on each round, and who is being bought at auction?

See the section "Auction" in the spreadsheet. All the players have been drawn into groups for the auction.
Manager League: 2/23/2016 17:03:13


Deadman 
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I don't understand why we have max amount of players to buy per round, other than I guess it otherwise too highly benefits someone who last minute bids 1 more than everyone else for all the players to get them cheap with no chance for counter-bidding.

Also even more confused why: Game count max - 50, player count max - 5

That line varies manager to manager.


Beren is right. Each manager sends the league the max amount they are willing to pay on each player. Managers don't find out other bids or their priority. They will only be told the winning bid, and the second highest bid.

Round 1 will have 13 players. Say, a manager wants 3 players from round 1(doesn't want to sign more, so he/she can pick up players from other rounds as well). The limits provide a way to restrict the number of players you sign from a round. Otherwise, if you bid for all the 13 players, you could end up getting a lot of them, and you won't have money or slots left to fill, and therefore cannot participate in the later rounds of the auction. So, in a way, you're saying give me 3 players based on my priority. If I miss my top picks, only then do I want to be involved in the bidding for a lower priority pick.
Manager League: 2/23/2016 17:16:38

talia_fr0st
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Noticed some discrepancies between tier and base price:

60 Nohhams - Tier 1
48 Nohhams - Tier 2
38 Nohhams - Tier 3
30 Nohhams - Tier 4
24 Nohhams - Tier 2 or 5 *
19 Nohhams - Tier 3 *
18 Nohhams - Tier 6
15 Nohhams - Tier 4 *
14 Nohhams - Tier 7
12 Nohhams - Tier 5 or 8 *
9 Nohhams - Tier 6 *
8 Nohhams - Tier 9
7 Nohhams - Tier 7 *
6 Nohhams - Tier 8 or 10 *
4 Nohhams - Tier 9, 11 or 12 *
3 Nohhams - Tier 10
2 Nohhams - Tier 11 to 13
1 Nohham - Tier 13

* Inaccuracy on some players of this value.

The number of games a person play SHOULD NOT affect their pool, it has potential to give worse players to teams simply because they are only playing 5 games over 10! (each manager gets the same number of players from each pool)

I propose that players playing only five games are assigned to a separate list of tiers (51, 52 e.t.c.)
So each team gets an even distribution of players of different qualities and availabilities.

Edited 2/23/2016 17:20:02
Manager League: 2/23/2016 17:22:23


Hades 
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numbers of games doesnt affect your tier or pool I think. People playing 5 games are worth half the price they would be if playing 10 games. I think thats where you're getting confused with people being worth the same price. e.g. 24 Nohhams buys you a 5 game tier 2 player (would be worth 48 if playing 10) or a 10 game tier 5 player.
Manager League: 2/23/2016 17:38:56

awesomeusername
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@tomjh: Managers have the option to bid half the amount for 10 game players and limit them to 5 games.
Manager League: 2/23/2016 18:26:41

talia_fr0st
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Oh, meep, but there are other discrepancies (4 and 2 Nohhams)
Manager League: 2/23/2016 18:32:54


❤HankyPinky 
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I would like to join with 10 games if it's still open. The only thing is I get on mobile at least once a day, but am lucky to log onto a desktop once a week. Also, I've been booted recently because a map would crash my app everytime I tried to load it. So as long as I'm able to load the maps, I can do it.
Manager League: 2/23/2016 19:09:59


Darkpie 
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I want to play 10 games, though I'm probably very rusty
Manager League: 2/23/2016 19:12:43


Beren Erchamion 
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Darkpie!!! You're back!
Manager League: 2/23/2016 19:21:59


MarkusBM
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Tojam, the "other descrepancies" you mention, are the same situation as the discrepancies with 24/48 or 12/24. Let's take some examples.

If you are a tier 13 player, your value will be 2, assuming you play 10 games. If you only play 5 games, the potential income from having you on the team will be halved, meaning you should have a value half as big as well. For tier 13 players, this means a value of 1.

If you are tier 12, your base value will be 4. But, just like with tier 13, if you decide that you only want to play 5 games(or alternatively a manager has figured out that he wants you to play only 5 games), you will now have a value of 2 instead.

The base values for the different tiers are the following:

Tier 1 - 60 Nohhams
Tier 2 - 48 Nohhams
Tier 3 - 38 Nohhams
Tier 4 - 30 Nohhams
Tier 5 - 24 Nohhams
Tier 6 - 18 Nohhams
Tier 7 - 14 Nohhams
Tier 8 - 12 Nohhams
Tier 9 - 8 Nohhams
Tier 10 - 6 Nohhams
Tier 11 - 4 Nohhams
Tier 12 - 4 Nohhams
Tier 13 - 2 Nohhams

Anyone signing up for only 5 games will have their value halved.
Manager League: 2/23/2016 19:25:26


Darkpie 
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Yeah came back 20 minutes ago :P

Edited 2/23/2016 19:25:36
Manager League: 2/23/2016 19:32:00

Aste
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I am up for playing 10 games
Manager League: 2/23/2016 19:32:54


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I found him ^^
Manager League: 2/23/2016 20:08:31


Cloud Strife
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It's not too complicated, it's all fairly easily understandable to me, and I just skimmed through it once. A manager though should invest time and attention in order to properly understand all the ins and outs of managing, the auction stage being maybe the most important one.

And it's a good system. Sure, problems will pop up - like in any other - but I think it's flexible, fixes are easy to implement and it's transparent so the community can help with suggestions.

Good job, guys.
Manager League: 2/23/2016 21:18:28


Stealth90 
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Manager League: 2/23/2016 22:47:24

talia_fr0st
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I'm talking about players doing the same number of games on the same price though, on 4 Nohhams and 2 Nohhams there are problems like this, order the Base price from a to z to make it easier.
Manager League: 2/23/2016 23:09:39


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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I think we are nitpicking guys...this is season 1!! This is basically a dry trial run to establish a baseline foundation for what things work and what things don't. Hands down to everyone who helped organize this, give yourselves a pat on the back. I know the people critiquing are just trying to make it better, but there's only so much to be done in the first season.
Manager League: 2/24/2016 04:42:16


Deadman 
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Oh, meep, but there are other discrepancies (4 and 2 Nohhams)

Can you be a bit more specific as to what the discrepancies are? Name the players in question.

I'm talking about players doing the same number of games on the same price though, on 4 Nohhams and 2 Nohhams there are problems like this, order the Base price from a to z to make it easier.

Do you mean "players doing the same number of games on a different price"? I'm confused by your statement. The sheet has been ordered by tier. Every person can order the sheet in their browser, by whatever field they like.
Manager League: 2/24/2016 16:56:33


DanWL 
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Here's the 2v2 template that I mentioned a few days ago with 3 picks , instead of 2: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=807594. Example game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10478814. The example game has increased boot settings, 0% luck SR, but the template has 3 day boot no vacations and 16% luck WR.

Edited 2/24/2016 17:03:01
Manager League: 2/24/2016 19:50:53


Deadman 
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@DanWL

Thanks for the suggestion. We've finalized all templates except one(which is down to 2-3 contenders, need a few test games tonight). We'll look at your template for the next season.
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