There's a big difference: most Americans speak English as their native tongue, while a very small minority in India speak English as their native tongue (I think it's less than 1 million).

There's tons of other examples. Grouping together british people, or swedish people, or Filipinos, or Australians, or canadians, or dutch people due to sharing a common language is ridiculous.

No, it isn't. In Kinshasa, more than half don't know any French, 10% speak it well, and a negligible % speak it natively.

Grouping together british people, or swedish people, or Filipinos, or Australians, or canadians, or dutch people due to sharing a common language is ridiculous.

Swedish, Filipino, and Dutch folk don't speak English natively. But yeah, I'd say Brits, (English, not French) Canadians, and Australians are pretty like, more than most would like to admit.

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Against. America is the first nation not founded on an identity but on an idea.





(Hamburg, Germany is the home of Hamburgers not the USA)

Yes it's founded on the idea of freedom. Now how best to reflect that?

Republic of America (literally giving power of the nation to Amerigo)

Kingdom of America

dud beter be unitd states of waco wurld mmhhmmmm

15.2% of americans are germans
10.8% of americans are irish
8.7% of americans are english
7.2% of americans are "american"
5.6% of americans are italian
4.0% of americans are french
3.2% of americans are polish
1.7% of americans are scottish
1.6% of americans are dutch
1.6% of americans are norwegian
1.4% or americans are swedish

Wrong. Some corrections:
"15.2% of americans are OF german HERITAGE/ANCESTRY
10.8% of americans are OF irish HERITAGE/ANCESTRY (etc)"

But they aren't Germans, Irish, English etc. This is an important difference since most of them do not share anything in common with the real Germans, Irish etc. They are Americans, that's all.
In France we have at least half of the French who have some foreign ancestry (Italians, Polish, Maghreb etc), but nevertheless we do not make any distinction. France as America is not that diverse, as in terms of culture most of them form a single group and identity.

Edited 4/27/2016 09:33:16

No, america is around 8% english ancestry, and around 0% spanish ancestry. Where are you getting your numbers from?

And where are you getting yours from? 0% Spanish ancestry is that your own analysis? Can't you give us actual datas and sources?

But they aren't Germans, Irish, English etc. This is an important difference since most of them do not share anything in common with the real Germans, Irish etc. They are Americans, that's all.
In France we have at least half of the French who have some foreign ancestry (Italians, Polish, Maghreb etc), but nevertheless we do not make any distinction. France as America is not that diverse, as in terms of culture most of them form a single group and identity.

A lot of immigrants retain most or all of their culture after immigrating to the US. This is particularly visible for immigrants such as mexicans, who in a lot of cases even still speak spanish.

Also, as you can see, only a very small minority of americans identify solely as americans in heritage (that is, 7.2%). I could't really find sources, but I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of french people identify as french. And while yes, all white people are basically the same, it's not a matter of what you actually are that creates divisions, but what you identify as.

And where are you getting yours from? 0% Spanish ancestry is that your own analysis? Can't you give us actual datas and sources?

Yes, in fact I can. These are official US census numbers:

https://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/c2kbr-35.pdf

There are around 299K spaniards in the US, which out of a population of approximately 322.36 million can be rounded to 0%.

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A lot of immigrants retain most or all of their culture after immigrating to the US. This is particularly visible for immigrants such as mexicans, who in a lot of cases even still speak spanish.

And far more don't, after a few begots. They assimilate into the Germanic English culture that America is mostly made of, though for Spanish, there's enough that they have got their own communities.

it's not a matter of what you actually are that creates divisions, but what you identify as.

You aren't your "heritage", nor do you identify as it.

^ Fredonia is great at converting folk to Frede culture

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And far more don't, after a few begots. They assimilate into the Germanic English culture that America is mostly made of, though for Spanish, there's enough that they have got their own communities.

Even immigrants who are assimilated and start speaking english (and I will point out that many of them don't) still retain their cultures in the US. Just one of the numerous examples is that although Lutherans are a very small minority in the US, they are a very concentrated minority. Specifically, they are concentrated in places with high percentages of german americans, swedish americans, and norwegian americans:

Minnesota: 29% Lutheran
North Dakota: 27% Lutheran
Wisconsin: 19% Lutheran
South Dakota: 18% Lutheran
Iowa: 16% Lutheran
Nebraska: 15% Lutheran
Montana: 9% Lutheran
Michigan: 7% Lutheran
Illinois: 6% Lutheran
Wyoming: 6% Lutheran

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Ethnicity is more than just faith, and sometimes not at all related to faith.

I'd say self-identification and mother tongue are the biggest ways to tell ethnicity, and not identification of bloodline, but self-identification.

Obviously the biggest one is self identification. For the most part, there's not really any qualifications for identifying with a nation/culture.

I know a Neo-Nordist , who's a Scotmark nationalist. Does that mean they're not Fredonian culture? Heck no.

@Imperator

Way more people claim to have Spanish ancestry in the US, since most of the Latin Americans/Hispanics can trace their origin to Spain (some having mixed with Amerindians), and in places like New Mexico, Texas or California, you had Spanish people before the US annexed it (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexican_Spanish).

A lot of immigrants retain most or all of their culture after immigrating to the US. This is particularly visible for immigrants such as mexicans, who in a lot of cases even still speak spanish.

They can claim to have foreign ancestors (like most of the Americans), but most of them aren't Irish, German etc. Most of them lost any cultural trait from their ancestors, they ceased to speak the language, ceased to have the cultural references that once their ancestors had. I agree with you though about the Hispanics successfully retained their culture, but they are an exception in comparison to other minorities such as Germans, French, Russians, etc.

And my opinion about "Freedonia" it is an awful name really, in Foreign languages it sounds like a weird species of flower or a famous toothpaste brand...

Way more people claim to have Spanish ancestry in the US, since most of the Latin Americans/Hispanics can trace their origin to Spain (some having mixed with Amerindians), and in places like New Mexico, Texas or California, you had Spanish people before the US annexed it (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexican_Spanish).

These people aren't claiming ancestry from spain, since the meaning of "hispania" isn't widely know. Rather, folks who claim "Latino/Hispanic" ancestry are identifying with mexico, central america, and south america.

Yes, technically if you identify as "Hispanic" you are claiming ancestry from spain, but this isn't what most people mean when they use the term in america.

They can claim to have foreign ancestors (like most of the Americans), but most of them aren't Irish, German etc. Most of them lost any cultural trait from their ancestors, they ceased to speak the language, ceased to have the cultural references that once their ancestors had. I agree with you though about the Hispanics successfully retained their culture, but they are an exception in comparison to other minorities such as Germans, French, Russians, etc.

See my point about religion above. The same can be said for most Irish americans, who remain mostly catholics.

It's not just faith. If you are traveling between different regions of the US there are differences in accents, food, politics, and the way people act in general, all owing to different cultures.

If you are traveling between different regions of the US there are differences in accents, food, politics, and the way people act in general, all owing to different cultures.

There are minicultures, but it's all pretty much the same. Also, changes in polit and accents don't really have anything to do with culture.