| Promotion/Relegation League Season 19: 7/29/2016 04:08:57 |
Pushover 
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3 games at a time seems too controversial to adopt right now. So I'll keep it at 2.
I am wary of increasing group size and number of promotions with game limit at 2, so i'll keep it at 2 promotions at a time and 7 players per group. I don't want to reduce to 6 players cause this will force some demotions i don't want to force.
So the final question to be answered is whether we want 1/2/3 tier system or 1/2/4.
I am leaning 1/2/3, with A/B being 1, C/D being 2, and E/F being 3. (G might be 4 groups again with the number of new players signing up.) D will uniquely have 3 demotions per group so that we don't have to have tiebreakers by default.
Any other comments?
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 19: 7/29/2016 04:11:44 |
Pushover
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 19: 7/29/2016 04:15:18 |
Ox
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it! well its kinda broke. xD it could take like 8 years for someone in the lowest division next season to get to the top (and WL ain't gonna last that long, lol)
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 19: 7/29/2016 09:42:04 |
Math Wolf
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@ Pushover, so you are refering to this basically?
Tier A - 1 group of 7, 2 relegate
Tier B - 1 group of 7, 2 promote, 2 relegate*
Tier C - 2 groups of 7, 1 promote, 2 relegate*
Tier D - 2 groups of 7, 2 promote, 3 relegate*
Tier E - 3 groups of 7, 2 promote, 2 relegate*
Tier F - 3 groups of 7, 2 promote, 2 relegate*
Tier G - x groups of x, 6 promote in total**, no relegation
* or less in case of dropouts?
** or more in case of dropouts?
Tier C or up: 28 players, Tier D or up: 42, Tier E or up: 63, Tier F or up: 84
vs.
Tier A - 1 group of 7, 2 relegate
Tier B - 1 group of 7, 2 promote, 2 relegate*
Tier C - 2 groups of 7, 1 promote, 2 relegate*
Tier D - 2 groups of 7, 2 promote, 2 relegate*
Tier E - 4 groups of 7, 1 promote, 2 relegate*
Tier F - 4 groups of 7, 2 promote, 2 relegate*
Tier G - x groups of x, 8 promote in total**, no relegation
* or less in case of dropouts?
** or more in case of dropouts?
Tier C or up: 28 players, Tier D or up: 42, Tier E or up: 70, Tier F or up: 98
Note that 7 players does run into the "no games for last player at the start" problem again. However, this problem isn't so bad as it seems. As soon as 1 game is finished, the 7th player immediately gets 2 games (versus the 2 players from that first finished game).
If I have some time (unlikely, but you never know), I may run a simulation on the time until a tournament finishes.
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 19: 7/30/2016 01:59:43 |
Pushover
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yes this is what i mean... a minor change in the 1/2/3 version though: i want 3 relegations from B and a playoff promotion between 2nd place C1 & C2. i anticipatethe B/C threshold to be a bit of a bottleneck. I guess the same for 1/2/4... but i am leaning towards 1/2/3 right now.
Also, I think from now on I want to always have at least 2 relegations (except for extreme circumstances, like half a group dropping out); i'd rather promote extra players to fill extra spots given this new hierarchy, than prevent people from moving down.
Edited 7/30/2016 02:04:45
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 19: 7/30/2016 15:36:04 |
Pushover
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I'm currently planning on groups for season 20 being made Next weekend. This is because, when drafting groups, I realized that I actually *did* want a group B tiebreaker. Oops. Thankfully MoTD, Turtle, and I are all roughly in the same time zone, but some of us are busy this weekend, so we'll need another week to knock out the tiebreakers. if for some reason we can't do the tiebreaker, i have a method i can use, i just don't like it.
There are currently 4 more spots in newbie groups that can be claimed, after that new players will be waitlisted.
The new season will begin despite the outstanding games in groups A, C, and I tiebreaker, as their results will not matter.
So the approximate timeline:
August 6 - Season 20 groups are made and invites sent out
August 13 - Warnings sent to players not joined to groups
August 16 - Waitlisted players added to newbie groups
August 20 - deadline to join groups, after this date all groups will be force started
Group play will begin after all players join their group.
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 19: 7/30/2016 16:16:29 |
KKND
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August 20 - deadline to join groups, after this date all groups will be force started Even if someone will be on vacaton ?
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 19: 7/30/2016 21:45:20 |
Phoenix
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The guys on vacation will be "Pushed Over" the edge :P
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 19: 8/1/2016 03:58:55 |
Pushover
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Generally no, players on vacation should have the chance to join their group. However 2 weeks exceeds the length of time of one vacation. In order to log in to renew your vacation you still get a blinking notification for messages sent out to players who haven't joined, and you still have a pending tournament invite.
At the beginning of season 19 MoTD arranged with me to be able to join his group even though he was on vacation and unable to join by the original deadline. Falker, on the other hand, did not join his tournament and did not communicate with me until after the deadline, so there was nothing I could do.
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 19: 8/4/2016 03:18:10 |
Omniscient
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I'd like to join a newbie group.
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 19: 8/5/2016 00:28:51 |
Pushover
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 19: 8/10/2016 08:38:58 |
Pushover
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Okay I know I'm a little late but I was waiting on the result of a tiebreaker tourney i made last minute and I've been busy irl. Current plan is to make tournaments either Wednesday or Thursday.
In the meantime, some games have finished, so lets announce some stuff...
In the Group B tiebreaker, MoTD finishes first, Turtle finishes second, and Pushover (me) finishes last. This means I will relegate to the groups C to allow the group D winner promotes to B.
In the Group I tiebreaker, Cata Cauda beat mslasm. This has no practical effect, as PhucilliJerry won the tiebreaker and gets a promotion as a result.
In Group C, Metatron beats Marechal Lannes. This does not affect the final group standings at all.
In Group A, Timinator/timon92 is still ongoing, meaning that for the first time I'm aware of, the season winner will be decided after the next season starts! This is mainly because Timinator is still in vacation.
A new season 20 thread will be created when I make the groups.
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 19: 8/10/2016 08:55:10 |
Pushover
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With the results of the Group B tiebreaker I'm ready to announce season 20's groups using the new system of multiple groups per tier
GROUP A
Timinator
timon92
Krzychu
rocky1
FlyingBender
Beren • apex (from B)
Jefferspin (from B)
GROUP B
grona • apex (from A)
Mirror (from A)
Master of the Dead
Master Turtle
JV (from C)
master of desaster (from C)
Bigchps147 (from D)
GROUP C1
Master Bjarke (from B)
Verzehrer (from C)
almosttricky (from D)
ChrisCMU (from D)
Oh Noes (from E)
Great Expanse (from E)
Buns157 (from F)
GROUP C2
Pushover (from B)
Metatron (from C)
Ollie (from C)
Master Atom ?Elite? (from D)
smileyleg {TJC} (from D)
Don [ Ω ] (from E)
Hades (from F)
GROUP D1
Andersault (from D)
Polakillo (from E)
ferede (from E)
USA Biches (from F)
Sultan Kosmitów (from G)
awesomeusername (from G)
Tony Sodano (from H)
GROUP D2
Maréchal Lannes, duc de Montebello (from C)
MightySpeck (a Koala) (from E)
Arkanton (from F)
Dom365 (from G)
Platinum (from G)
Master Jz (from H)
PhucilliJerry (from I)
GROUP E1
butterfly94 (from F)
Turkish (from H)
Cata Cauda (from I)
Onoma94 (from I)
graemes (from K1)
<SNinja> Leinad (from K3)
Smutny Edgar (from K4)
GROUP E2
Wenyun (from E)
Ryzys (from G)
mslasm (from I)
kirdol (from J)
PanagiotisTheGreekFreak (from K2)
13CHRIS37 (from K3)
Hasdrubal (from K4)
GROUP E3
Hostile (from F)
Min34 (from G)
Benjamin628 (from H)
Prabster Realm (from I)
tomjh (from J)
독일남자(Rob) (from K1)
DR. Love (from K2)
GROUP F1
bobbob000 (from G)
[wolf]japan77 (from J)
Math Wolf (from K1)
Hunta (from K2)
AWOL Gls AJ (from K3)
Ragnar (from K4)
Mike (from K4)
GROUP F2
ipg (from H)
Countess (from K1)
ℳℛᐤ✕ (from K2)
Coyote151 (from K2)
Pink (from K3)
culpa (from K3)
Aste (from K4)
GROUP F3
[WOLF] Colonel H Cardwell (from I)
K-Train (from K1)
rouxburg (from K2)
Madmen (from K3)
THE1AJK (from K3)
[GER] Florian (from K4)
[NL] bassoonplayer (from K4)
GROUPS G
newbies (randomly determined)
Planning for 4 groups this season
Promotions are as follows:
A (1 group): 2 demote
B (1 group): 2 promote, 3 demote
C (2 groups): 3 promote (2nd place playoff between C1 and C2), 4 demote (2 each group)
D (2 groups): 4 promote (2 each group), 6 demote (3 each group)
E (3 groups): 6 promote (2 each group), 6 demote (2 each group)
F (3 groups): 6 promote (2 each group), 8 demote (3 each group, winner of 3-way playoff survives relegation)
G (4 groups): 8 promote (2 each group)
This is subject to change depending on dropouts during or between seasons. There will be no more super promotions, instead more get promoted from the same tier.
Edited 8/10/2016 09:04:30
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 19: 8/13/2016 23:26:01 |
BYG Jacob
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Why am I not on there?
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 19: 8/13/2016 23:36:32 |
awesomeusername
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You're under Group G, "newbies (randomly determined)."
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 19: 8/14/2016 01:24:10 |
SATS
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I would like to participate in current or next season.
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 19: 8/14/2016 21:32:19 |
Onoma94
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When are season 20 tournaments going to be created?
timi vs timi finished btw :o
Edited 8/14/2016 21:40:24
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| Promotion/Relegation League Season 19: 8/15/2016 08:55:00 |
Smutny Edgar
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@Pushover is it possible to change my acounts ? From this one to my main https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=1540523955 group E1 ? If not i dont want to participate in this one in league(but if its possible then to start in newbies :) ).
Edited 8/15/2016 10:50:03
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