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Clan League 8: Division C - Official Thread: 7/10/2016 00:40:40


Hog Wild
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ummm... enjoying your vacation? XD
Clan League 8: Division C - Official Thread: 7/10/2016 03:57:03


Benjamin628 
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I'll update it you nub GrEx
Clan League 8: Division C - Official Thread: 7/10/2016 08:06:12


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https://youtu.be/mrQDkksUyCU?t=120

Review this once a week.
Clan League 8: Division C - Official Thread: 7/10/2016 20:26:48


Great Expanse 
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1v1 Greece Results:


    Clan (Player)           Record
1st VS (Glamorous)          (5-0)
2nd BIA (Robert E Lee)      (4-1)
3rd M'Hunters (AI)          (3-2)
4th CORP (BigMeck)          (1-4, 1-1)
4th Hydra (Green Turtle)    (1-4, 1-1)
4th LEA (Ih70)              (1-4, 1-1)

Congrats to Glamorous of VS for sweeping the Greece tournament! This division was supposedly stacked but its likely Green Turtle underperformed greatly and BigMeck didn't show up to complete games.

Green Turtle got one solo win against LEA while getting run over but everyone else with ease including BigMeck which finished that one game and was booted in the next 4. BigMeck is part of the ongoing activity issues CORP is having across their lineup currently.

Overall, with Hydra, CORP and LEA performing poorly, M'Hunters and BIA (doing much better then I think many would have assumed) are the runners up in 2nd and 3rd.

1v1 Battle Islands:


    Clan (Player)           Record
1st BIA (tartan1314)        (4-1)
2nd CORP (Smutney Edgar)    (3-2, 1-1)
2nd M'Hunters (TBest)       (3-2, 1-1)
2nd VS (Gibson)             (3-2, 1-1)
5th Hydra (Milly)           (2-3)
6th LEA (mrreed345)         (0-5)

Congrates to tartan1314 of BIA for winning the tournament! We have yet another tied mess for runner up between M'Hunters, CORP and VS. So far, this is the one of two positive win records in tournaments for CORP. Hydra and LEA rounding out the division.

Edited 7/11/2016 02:52:12
Clan League 8: Division C - Official Thread: 7/10/2016 22:05:05


Chromeo
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@Great Expanse: There are plenty of interesting games and some had suprising results. Not everyone has time to check other games, including me, but I would like to know about them. So what I meant? If someone (it hasn't to be necessary you) would post games results and at least sometime with some commentary. Then we would discus about this games. I'm sure there are many people who would volunteer (like Tabby Juggernaut for example).

It is just an idea/suggestion so feel free to start a discussion :)
Clan League 8: Division C - Official Thread: 7/10/2016 22:20:27


Hog Wild
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fyi G.E. you mention LEA twice in your third paragraph :P
Clan League 8: Division C - Official Thread: 7/11/2016 02:53:26


Great Expanse 
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@Chromeo, that is a good idea. I will probably need to reach out to players to 'nominate' games to lighten the work load of reviewing games of interest. But I can look through the completed tournaments to find interesting games.
Clan League 8: Division C - Official Thread: 7/11/2016 16:25:42


Great Expanse 
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Quick Update:




I'm back from a short vacation and I want to keep this short. M'Hunters and VS still lead. BIA had an awesome weekend and are now in 3rd. CORP has begun to dip again, the win rate graph is interested to look at to see CORPs dips and rebounds. LEA has continued their losing streak, now extended to 11 days. Anyone want to take bets on when they win their next game?
Clan League 8: Division C - Official Thread: 7/11/2016 17:28:07


Hog Wild
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wow, nice job BIA!
Clan League 8: Division C - Official Thread: 7/12/2016 18:48:33


Rogue NK
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Aldehyde has won French Brawl! Even if he loses his game against Ven, he still has the tie breaker win against Hunta. Congrats Aldehyde!

Update: The ME 0% SR tournament will be determined by the outcome of this game. https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11505932.
Whoever wins this game wins the tournament. Who will win? Chromeo? ppface?

Edited 7/12/2016 18:54:56
Clan League 8: Division C - Official Thread: 7/12/2016 18:57:29


Great Expanse 
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Technically you aren't correct Rogue. Yes, Aldehyde is the overwhelming favourite to win the French Brawl tournament single handedly but there is still a potential for a 3-way tie.

If Thanatos D. Ven wins their last two games they finish 4-1, so does Aldehyde and Hunta which cannot be broken. Based on the games I've seen Aldehyde should win their last game making this all moot, but I am not calling a tournament winner until Aldehyde finishes their last game.

And yes, ME SR will be determined by the ppface vs. Chromeo game.

Edited 7/12/2016 18:58:55
Clan League 8: Division C - Official Thread: 7/12/2016 19:00:07


Rogue NK
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My bad. I didn't consider that.

And I forgot that ppface also needs to win against tartan.

Edited 7/12/2016 19:01:21
Clan League 8: Division C - Official Thread: 7/12/2016 19:02:14


Great Expanse 
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Yeah, both are quite likely to be M'Hunters wins but until its unequivocal, I don't declare winners.
Clan League 8: Division C - Official Thread: 7/14/2016 00:08:41


Luna {TJC}
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Thanks for the analysis Norman , I still have an awful lot to learn :(
Clan League 8: Division C - Official Thread: 7/14/2016 00:08:43


Luna {TJC}
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Double post sorry , anyway good updates GeEx a smige behind Knytes but you can't be perfect :D

Edited 7/14/2016 00:10:13
Clan League 8: Division C - Official Thread: 7/14/2016 15:13:00


Great Expanse 
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Week 4 Summary:


Another week done, another week closer to Division C finishing. And as the division furthest along in the season, 66.67% of games are completed, but about half of points up in the air the race for C has formed. About 92.2% of 1v1 games, 40% of 2v2 games, and 30% of 3v3 games have finished. At this pace, Division C should finish months ahead divisions A and B. I guess we will have more time to practice for next season?

But onto the update!




The only clan movers this week is BIA passing Hydra as both clan continue their wobble back and forth around each other. The race is tight, (Note: LEA is surrendering a Great Lakes game to Hydra which will raise Hydra to 65 points today) points, max points, win rate are all effectively tied. Now, you may ask why do I care about Hydra and BIA? Well no one else in this clan is making it interesting so I have absolutely nothing to work with here. Is it a flaw that the promotion and relegation spots were very obvious who would get them and that no one is challenging them? Perhaps. But I have nothing else to talk about right now then to be a little selfish and talk about Hydra for awhile.

So the gap between 2nd and 3rd widened this week as VS and M'Hunters continued to dominant the division. Division C clearly contains few clans that belong here. VS and M'Hunters are passing through, LEA should be Division E, CORP, Hydra and BIA all belong here. 3 out of 6 (its supposed to be 7), that is rather sad. And is why the CLOT ladder for Clan League can't come soon enough. Essentially the ladder will let VS and M'Hunters move away from clans that can't compete with them, and its allows LEA to sink to their rightful rank rather then this slow decline they have going on.



So maybe I should talk about the actual division results now. M'Hunters (3-1) and VS (4-1) this had the best results by far, followed by typical middling by positive results for BIA (6-4) and Hydra (3-2). CORP which continues a negative win rate (3-5) as the boots this season are wrapping up, and LEA (0-6) continues losing games for 12 straight days. Maybe LEA can get 25 points this season. That's a strong maybe.

Overall, the win rate graph below you can see trends have emerged that seem to suggest that how clans performed in 1v1s are largely holding up in team games. Clan are wobbling only a few percentage points up or down, back and forth. Instead of #Division B-oring, C has turned into the boring, predictable division.



Great Expanse's Ramblings:


Now, I'm going to end this talking about Hydra and not act as scorekeeper for a bit. There is legitimate criticism of Hydra that the clan isn't performing and that they should be stronger and competing more with other clans this season. I have defended Hydra to several people and I want to publicly explain things in one large post so everyone understands.

There has been questions about our lineup and why some people were included or not picked. The most frequent example used is why HotBeachBum isn't playing ME SR. This one I feel like I made the right call on. HotBeachBum never seemed interested in playing in Clan League. His focus is on the 1v1 ladder. A Hydra tournament he played in on MME SR, a template he knows how to play exceptionally well, was rather lackluster. So, people say I had to put him on ME SR, but would he have put in the effort for Clan League like for the 1v1 ladder? Maybe not. The Clan League lineup is about putting players I can trust to win games. So ppface, a player I trusted to compete, seemed like the logical choice over HotBeachBum. Look at CORP, Quicksand, another good MME SR player, was put on ME SR and was booted in 2 games. You really only should put players you know and trust in Clan League. Other errors in the lineup like HankyPinky on Gurioma I accept that as my fault.

Next there is a view that with Hydra merging Illuminati and AWF that we should have been doubly strong as our D1 and D2 results. But the people are missing the point of the merger, Illuminati and AWF were exceptionally weak after Clan League ended, why else would we merge? It is because both clans were hemorrhaged talent towards the end and in between seasons. So, saying Illuminati + AWF = unstoppable force isn't correct. Months were needed to set up the clan and get things moving. If Clan League happened later, Hydra would have had the time to prepare better. If you want an analogy for this, look at 101st. If Clan League started when I predicted in March 101st was still rebuilding at that time and probably would be in a weaker state season 8 then they currently are. I'm only arguing that timing wasn't great this season for Hydra which sucks and we're living with the consequences.

Obviously there were errors in the Hydra lineup where people should go, getting them ready, and I own that problem. This is only my second time making a lineup and I'm still inexperienced with it. And it was only my first time making a lineup for Hydra. Consider Hydra a new clan, only we are Division C, not E. Growing pains are to be expected.

I hope I didn't bore you with my ramblings.

Edited 7/14/2016 21:31:39
Clan League 8: Division C - Official Thread: 7/14/2016 19:19:46


Beep Beep I'm A Jeep 
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Great update, thank you!
Clan League 8: Division C - Official Thread: 7/14/2016 23:28:18


Rogue NK
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A few notes.

1. Division C moves faster than A and B because in A and B they go on Vacation and here in C we just take the boots.

2. Four weeks in and Hydra has yet to win a 3v3. I haven't looked into it much so I don't know if it is a lack of skill or they started with hard opponents but if they want to continue to challenge BIA then they will have to rack up some points in that category. I don't see Hydra promoting without as many 3v3 wins as BIA.

3. Great update as always.
Clan League 8: Division C - Official Thread: 7/15/2016 00:04:49


❤HankyPinky 
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Woohoo! I was mentioned!
Clan League 8: Division C - Official Thread: 7/15/2016 00:08:15

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GeEx

Nice updates GeEx! Congrats on your new name!
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