I haven't read this yet but someone said there are a lot of butthurt people here, so I'm just making a comment to be part of this history.

Don't mind me.

The Outlaws were a new clan, just as Acme Co. was when Clan League began. When Acme broke off from LEA, we took almost all our playing members with us. The Outlaws only took in some of 101st's members. Because during CL, I created a new clan but continued to play for my old clan, does that mean that ACE should also be bumped up in terms of ranking? I think not. So shouldn't The Outlaws be treated just like every other new clan in Clan League?

"And lets not pretend outlaws wouldn't cause drama if they didn't get what they wanted"

I dont understand why everybody has started to whrite this? I presume that all that whrites in this tread thinks that what they whrite is correct so why say it at all then?

Edited 10/16/2016 15:48:46

you guys really seem to think we're lynx b? we're not.

we're all getting tutored pretty hard since fork is battling for getting that spot (lol how does he even HAVE to fight the spot he deserves?) and TO BE HONEST, 101sts already probably better than outlaws on some clan league templates.

u know, im not the kind of person than give a damn fuck about dramas etc, i don't even play much actually, but the fact that you ignore that 101st was willing to give everything next season in clan league is just disgusting.

stop seeing us like a dead clan, or a lynx b clan or whatever, thats only a selfish and biased insult against us

now, if u prefer than next cl will be marked by anger and absence of many of the best players because they will boycott, fine its ur choice :)

peace

I would suggest to everyone that, before we start down the "Burn the whole thing to the ground" routine, lets put in perspective that with the new CL9 format, in practice it is little more than a promotion/regulation decision. For example, its basically a decision as 101 goes to C and outlaw goes to A, or outlaw goes to C and 101 goes to A. Now this is easy for me to say "its not a big deal" because i'm not in that clan. But this is actually a relatively minor decision compared with the past events, because it won't take multiple years for the clan that gets the unfavorable ruling to make it back up due to skill.

From a neutral couldn't care less standpoint, the spot obviously has to go to 101st.

The clan league is about clan vs clan, clans as in individual institutions with its own name, not players against players. If 101st has enough players to field, they should field.

In CPU case, BIA got the spot, not XCD since more people went to BIA than XCD, and not CPU since CPU was dead.

In Lynx case, Lynx went to bottom because officially it was a new clan/institution.

I start a new soccer team and buy all the first team players from Manchester United, I don't get automatic promotion to top league.

Same logic.

Pulsey out.

Edited 10/16/2016 16:05:56

I am enjoying this immensely, please continue.

"101sts already probably better than outlaws on some clan league templates."

No, just no. It's not even close.

The average Outlaws player is better than the best 101st discounting the Lynx alts that are in the clan.

As for boycotting, I say nonsense. All a clan would achieve by boycotting is harming themselves. Lynx wants to pull out? Cool. They can start back at the bottom if they ever decide to rejoin. Cut off your nose to spite your face.

There might be individual players that boycott, but I doubt many if any, mostly just people that say they will in the heat of the moment and later rescind on the decision.

There is virtually zero chance however of entire clans boycotting other than Lynx or 101st.

Edited 10/16/2016 16:24:29

Nah Nauz we wont start from the bottom we'll just join a div B clan for 1 season, get them into A, and then move back to lynx and take their spot.

Pardon the interruption of this debate for a quick fact-checking session:

-- "But instead one of the members had a hissy fit, left the clan with some of his minions"

We should dispel the notion that Plat had a hissy fit and hijacked the clan, because it's simply not true. Leaving was a last resort after countless hours of trying to find something that would work for everyone, and when we left it was a group decision.

-- "He very conveniently leaves out Kantos, who just so happens to be in 101st."

Kantos is Lynx, so you can't count him. Lynx moved him over to take some replacement games, er, I mean 101st chose him. Instead of using someone who was already playing for us in CL.

-- "not that lynx would ever use 101st to try and give us an unfair advantage"

Cough, cough, ahem, whoo is it hot in here? #zerospygate #nothinshadytoseehere

Edited 10/16/2016 16:43:55

post was essentially me venting, sorry anyone I insulted - except you plat, insulting you is a lifestyle none of us can/will ignore <3 (i still lub you)

Edited 10/17/2016 20:43:46

I have read the last pages and there is one thing I want to point out. A lot of people is using past seasons similar facts (Lynx/101, CPU etc) and, conveniently, they are forgeting the ONE/XS that is the most recent (and maybe similar) and it was a decision made from the same council and not a past one. Taking that into account I thought that Outlaws taking the 101 spot was the most possible escenario.
I understand that the decision is not fair but, given the situation, any solution would be unfair, there was no good solutions, only bad ones and beetween them the panel had to choice the less bad one. Which one the less bad is argueably, but I don't think they were unbiased, but simply the had to make a very difficult choice.
I can thik of arguments for both sides, so it's difficult to say I agree or not with the decision, but I will respect it. I am sure, the solution being the opposite, the same discusion would have happened.

Edited 10/16/2016 16:58:48

I find it interesting that this hole argument was created because we decided we wouldn't be puppets of Lynx and did the right thing of returning the clan to the first owner.

We could have just kept the clan and tell Apollo to fuck off when he demanded the clan to be returned to him. We're being punished for being nice.

Also, your argument that 101st is totally independent of Lynx kindda goes down when you have more Lynx players complaining of the decision than 101st. Just sayin...

One more thing, cut the slack on the CL council, this wasn't an easy decision, more like an impossible one. I just see people insulting them, and calling for corruption. Gosh, we didnt knew we'd get this thing settled for us. As a matter of fact I thought myself they'd take a few more weeks to settle the issue and communicate to us the decision instead of a flash post. It's also sad that many arguments here defend a hardline of Outlaws losing the spot because the previous decisions regarding similar matters were stupid. Bad decisions of the past shouldn't force bad decisions in the present.


I'm also sorry we came to this, we tried to avoid all of this crap, but every solution we tried to solve the problem ended up worse than before. But hey, at least we didn't log in a Lynx/101st player friend account to get information on you guys private talks on the CL and other clan related issues, so there's that going for us.

#ZeroSoBadAtSpying

Edited 10/16/2016 17:01:19

Thanks for the absolutely pointless fact checking Bonsai.

Hey Nauz, go measure dicks somewhere else please.

"101sts already probably better than outlaws on some clan league templates."

No, just no. It's not even close.

The average Outlaws player is better than the best 101st discounting the Lynx alts that are in the clan.

Congratulations, you literally proved his point. Saying the average outlaws player is better than the average 101st player, while true, means that there has to be some 101st players better than some Outlaws players. Else you could say "the entire clan is better than 101st", which is not true.

Please take your promoting of Outlaws off the public forums and into a bedroom, nobody here wants to argue skill but you.

For the record, I started #motd4prez and have not spoken to him since. Although I'm sure he's handsome, honest, and probably really good in bed.

Pulsey sums it up in my eyes , each player agreed to play for 101st when they joined the tournaments just because they changed clans doesn't affect change that. They played for 101st , thus 101st should get the spot.

edit: Zeph that post was incredible some squiffy things about it but it brings up some valid stuff that other may of not brought up.

Eitherway PS is correct about the drama that clans bring :p

Edited 10/16/2016 17:14:48

Well, with the discussion probably nobody cares but...
UPDATE:

F.Earth: ONE defeated Blitz

China: Blitz defeated Sninja

ME: 101 defeated VIW

EU: Sninja defeated Blitz

Clan    points   Max points    Wins   Losses   Winrate
1º 101      158        174        41      21     66.13%
2º Blitz    157        157        43      23     65.15%
3º VIW      135        139        38      27     58.46%
4º ONE      132        140        38      26     59.38%
5º SNinja   106        114        28      36     43.75%
6º REGL      68         72        20      45     30.77%
7º Stahl     64         64        18      48     27.27%

¡We have a winner!
Only remains to decide the battle for 3rd.

Remaining games:
F.Earth:
101st vs SNinja
101st vs REGL
101st vs ONE
101st vs VIW


China:
Sninja vs ONE: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11751066

Hurry up Outlaws, finish your games!

Also, your argument that 101st is totally independent of Lynx kindda goes down when you have more Lynx players complaining of the decision than 101st. Just sayin...

So? There's an even larger amount of non-lynx non-101st players complaining about the decision. Does that mean that Lynx is a community creation?

One more thing, cut the slack on the CL council, this wasn't an easy decision, more like an impossible one. I just see people insulting them, and calling for corruption. Gosh, we didnt knew we'd get this thing settled for us. As a matter of fact I thought myself they'd take a few more weeks to settle the issue and communicate to us the decision instead of a flash post. It's also sad that many arguments here defend a hardline of Outlaws losing the spot because the previous decisions regarding similar matters were stupid. Bad decisions of the past shouldn't force bad decisions in the present.

The fact that they had to make a decision already shows us something's wrong in their system. Unpragmatic, lacking rules that are made as things happen, normally shaking up the lower tiers badly, now actually shaking Division A. This changes a lot - CL has a large precedent of drama and literally everything that is done by the council is worsen it. They are arbitrary, they don't make decisions based on the simplest logic avaiable. Therefore, things like this one case are just bound to happen. Instead of properly fixing it, they take the short route, blacklist everyone who makes a valid point against them and bully them out of WarLight. #teamKnyte.

I'm also sorry we came to this, we tried to avoid all of this crap, but every solution we tried to solve the problem ended up worse than before. But hey, at least we didn't log in a Lynx/101st player friend account to get information on you guys private talks on the CL and other clan related issues, so there's that going for us.

#ZeroSoBadAtSpying

I like #PlatSoBadAtProtectingHisChatrooms more. What secrets can a bunch of risk-simulator browser game community players even hide, though? Essentially nothing WarLight related is worth of a secret. If there was anything to spy on, it was drama. Pure, unadultered drama. Something the outlaws are doing really good at generating recently. Maybe even passed the monkeys.

Why don't you write a big fat book with all the rules for the perfect clanleague? Then the panel wouldn't have to come up with solutions anymore.
That would be more helpful than this ordinary forum attacks.