Problem- one of the clan leaders is confined to mobile because of internet issues. Who knows if we will see a response from him

WINTER IS COMING!

^ okay, that surprised me quite a bit.

To the guys sending the hate mail : Do you really want to waste your time on something like this? W00t.

These insults, though. These were the most unnecessary part of this shit.

Wow, this is really a shocking read. I have no idea what they mean by development team, but that is completely unacceptable.
Our clan does not tolerate that kind of hate speech, which Is why they took it upon themselves to send it privately. I will speak with the other clan leaders on what course of action to take. And I believe I speak for my fellow clan leaders when I say we apologize for that.
I know when one joins a diplomacy game, the players attitudes around you heavily influence the atmosphere. If you have any complaints in the future, private message one of us clan leaders and we'll take care of it.

Edited 6/21/2016 17:27:11

I'd like to defend the actions of myself and the other members of the development team. I'd like to mention the amount of work myself and everyone on the dev team put into every one of these games and there is always someone who goes out of their way to complain about the game and I got annoyed, I would like to apologize if he was offended by what I said, I understand I may have gotten carried away. I don't like what I said, but I stand by what I meant as it is incredibly hard to make these games and have people not appreciate the work that has been put in. In this case, we had been working on this game for more than a week and he was quick to point inaccuracies out even though we made it clear before the game was made that it wasn't realistic. Also, Legend always says that you may change the scenario that has been given to you if you like, and you are not forced to play the game as it is given to you. I didn't mean to hurt anyone with my comments and I'm sorry if I did, but you must also look at the side of us developers. Thank you

Bruh, I mentioned only one minute thing. One thing out of the entirety of the game. I'd get it if you got mad about me trashing the entire game or its creators, but that's not what I did. It's pretty silly to go about the way you guys did over such a tiny thing. I've appreciated every other game beforehand; this one minute critique is nothing. Also, the only reason it was "quick to point out" was because it was my background info, which is the very first thing I get as the game begins. It has nothing to do with me wanting to come after you guys or anything. And lastly, none of you gave me the opportunity to change. In some form or another, I was told to just deal with what I was handed by most of you. If I came off harsh with Legend, then I'd completely understand, but I just want it clear that in no way, shape, or form did I mean to trash on the entire game and the work you all put into it.

Good day,

As a member of the Dev team for the game in question 'Nights Watch Clan Mystery GoT- 2.0' Hosted by Legend, I feel obligated to respond.

The basic idea of the game was to take the idea of a "What If" scenerio where we altered the A Song of Ice and Fire timeline. To make it easier for players to grasp the timeline I built a timelime of canon events up to the point where they were altered. To save space on this post i will give an exerpt of said Timeline.

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(Last major canon event before the timeline differs. To keep it in line with the books Roberts rebellion will end the same time but with Targayren victors)

282-283 AL - The War of the Usurper Rhaegar Targaryen abducts Lyanna Stark from King's Landing. Lyanna's brother, Brandon Stark, and her fatherRickard demand that Aerys discipline his son, but instead the Mad King kills them both. Eddard Stark, Robert Baratheon and their mentor, Jon Arryn, raise the standard of rebellion. Robert claims the throne through his descent from his great-grandfather, Aegon V Targaryen. The War of the Usurper, also called Robert's Rebellion, begins. Hoster Tully agrees to join the rebellion as well. 

298 5/10 Dany's 14th Birthday.

298 8/2 Jon's 15th birthday

298 9/13 Robb turns 15

Game starts at the begining of Year 300 AL. If you have any questions please feel free to message me once the game starts. I will answer them to the best of my ability.

Slots involving Daenarys she is 15 at the start and turn 5 will be her 16th name day

Slots involving Jon, he is 16 and turn 8 will be his 17th name day

Slot involving robb, he is 16 and turn 9 will be his 17th name day
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In the development of this game Legend had left me in charge of the timeline. We had discused canon events that did not happen to create the scenerios we created. I clearly stated in the timeline that I posted that if you have any questions to contact me. By the time Chem had Pm'd me he was allready agitated with the other members of the Dev team.

As i have seen more compleate screenshots of the conversations that took place between members of the Dev team and Chem, the Dev team had told Chem that they had not made an alternate history of events. (Although it was not as nice as that).

As an independant player with no clan ties to NWC i must say that the clan hate on this forum is uncalled for, I also do not condone the actions of the Dev team in how they treated chem. I also understand that this is not the first issue that Legend and Chem have had over the games Legend has hosted.

I have played in every mystery game Legend has hosted and there is always some salt as to how a player roleplays a canon character or how some events shouldnt be the way they are ect. Most people love Legends mystery games, and as someone who helps him out with custom scenerios for each slot I appreciate the amount of hard work put into them and also realise that not everybody will be happy with what goes on. I must also point out that most of the games are filled by invite.

To finaly make my point, this has gone to far on all sides to have this be made a public issue on the site forum. I have faith that the Nwc will adress this issue amongst their own clan leadership, well with the members that are apart of this and their clan.

I'd just like to point out that of the "problems" Legend has had with me, I knew of none of them till like 30 minutes ago.

@Chembaka, If you haven't already you could use the in-game report function. Just click their name, then Report.

As a member of the dev team, a new function made to aid in game developement as of the latest in the series, I'd also like to respond. I and chem have had a similar issue with provided information. The games are intended for you to seek out the information and learn details. For example the sixth game in the series, borders haven't changed in six turns and I'm told the roleplay in those games is some of the most intricate and fun of any for the king and those working with him. I had no idea and have no idea what's going on XD. Anyway, I'm sure chem was asking an honest question and didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings. Legend's decision to screenshot that decision and show it to the dev team may have not been wise, but as a guy who has ALSO been in every one of these mystery games and worked with legend closely, I'm certain he just meant that post as a joke or comment on a mistake made. Now the three hate mail senders. E. E put a lot of work in this game and was understandably angry to have it questioned. However seeking out chem to tell him he was an ass for that questioning was in my opinion a bit too far. Robert is not in the nw clan, but like myself and atlas, is on the dev team regardless. He also put an ungodly amount of work into this and wrote many of the character scenarios too. Similar to e, justifiably angry, but went too far in my opinion. Headshots. This is the easiest to explain, he's 14 and on the internet :p. He also put lots of work into this and I'm sure he wanted to show off his... Vocabulary. To all three of these people, I'd like to clarify I mean no offense and I respect and care for all three of you. Lastly to chem, I'm sorry this happened. I hope this doesn't hurt your opinion of the games.

Oh for gods sake! Obviously that language isnt necessary, but we're all grown up here, and if you get offended just black list. It's that simple.

Also, 2 or 3 players don't represent an entire clan.

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While this is true, it doesn't promote a very good self image. Does it? Oculus addressing this issue is a good thing for the Nights Watch, as they now can help build up the hole left by the immaturity of some members; they have done this by conducting this issue in a helpful and friendly way.
Because of that they have improved the clan image.

Edited 6/21/2016 17:52:52

Being the creator and host of the Nights Watch Mystery Games, I feel that I need to say something here. In my humble opinion, this situation has blown way out of control. It never should have gotten to this point. This was something that should have stayed between myself and Chembaka and for that, I am the responsible party. I voiced my frustration to the developmental team and they followed my lead and sent their PM's to Chem.

What was said in those PMs is partially posted here and I think we all can agree that they were uncalled for and way over the top. Some of it was meant as a joke (the hate stuff) but it was worded horribly and in poor taste. I have apologized to Chem for those outbursts aimed at him and also for the fact that I even brought it up to the team and he seemed to be ok with that, even saying that he really didn't care much about what was said to him in those PMs. He's more concerned about keeping in good status with our Clan so he can continue to play in our games. We are currently in discussions now, to get this all cleared up.

Also, THIRD, Ragnar and I, as leaders of the Nights Watch Clan, have been in discussions this morning and we are working on repercussions for those involved. Whatever those end up being, they will remain in-clan and confidential. However, in those discussion, we keep coming back to something that is really bothering us: Why in the world did Oculus (the OP) even post this here in the first place? If there was an issue with our clan or people in our clan, then coming to the leader or leaders of that clan should have been the first step. We really feel that only half the story was told here and our clan was dragged thru the mud for no reason. Oculus was not involved and Chem has since told me that he didn't tell him nor want him to even post it here. He was just venting to a clan mate. There was no reason for any of this to be reported to Fizzer, the leadership of the Nights Watch would have been happy and willing to do something about it on our own, to assure that it never happened again. But we were not given that chance before we were reported.

So, to sum it all up: There was some confusion and frustration and stuff said that shouldn't have been said. There were discussions that I had with my Dev Team that never should have occurred. I have apologized to Chem for these things and for even bringing it up to the team. I hope he accepts my apology. Leadership of the Clan is embarrassed and very sorry that this was even posted here and we are dealing with those involved. The OP will hopefully learn from this and contact those involved in any future incidents like this instead of posting it in public for all to see and dragging thru the mud a very good and strong RPing Clan.

Thank you for your time!

Have to agree there... While he says this was no attack on the clan it very much seems like one. This could have been settled so much more easily and he had to basically shame the clan.

Just want to say, this is the most mature resolvation of an issue i have ever seen on this website. Bravo to all of you.

Duh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh BATMAN!!

Well, there is a chat game specifically for that, but the only person in The Circle that is in it isn't very active (That Guy), so an alternate mean of communication would have to be used. Just a terrible decision to not have dealt this through PM with Ragnar or one of the big guys in NW, honestly.

Also, 2 or 3 players don't represent an entire clan.

They don't, but 2 bad apples in your clan means you're probably doing something wrong, and measures have to be taken. I'm pretty sure everyone strives for have no bad apples; just imagine the chaos the world would be if the CIA or FBI went by the philosophy that 2 or 3 moles don't mean anything. It also hurts reputation a lot.

Slightly unrelated, but to the "dev team": Don't take criticism badly, ever. Even if it's non-constructive. If someone complains about something you did, ignore it. If the complaint is rude, IGNORE IT. I've had quite a couple people hammering my messed up templates (Genghis, McMuller being the prime examples 3:) and reacted by just not doing anything. If it really bothers you, drop in a report and let it go. I don't really blame Oculus for posting it here; you escalated the issue, he just escalated further.

And remember, complaints don't mean you messed up. Happy people stay silent. Proceed with the game and have fun with it.

The issue here is solved, so drop the thread. This shouldn't have gone public in the first place. How the issue will be solved is now entirely between Chem, Ragnar and the dev team.

You put kids in clan

You don't disclipine kids

Kids be kids and Insult other kids

Kids report to forums

Kids clan gets bad kids rep

True story

Platnium, just stop. Before you make a fool of yourself.

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Ignore him, I don't understand Platinum's problem.