3. ACL claims not to have read the messages from misterT. Possible that its true he didnt READ them but i dont believe at all he didnt SAW them. In other words he CHOOSE not to read them. He saw a message from Fizzer within a day while didnt see any message from misterT for 6 days

Same logic works for MisterT. It's not hard to take 15 minutes out of your day unless you're at the hospital or doing surgery. He chose to not take turns for those last 2 days, too, especially if he was able to log in.

"Busy" is just a rationalization- being "too busy to take a turn" is a choice about how you plan on allocating your time. MisterT clearly didn't think it was important enough to properly finish the Seasonal Ladder over whatever else he was "busy" with IRL. That's still a choice.

@Ollie: stalhazi finished his last game on the Seasonal before it ended. He couldn't conceivably have won the Seasonal Ladder from stalling.

Edited 7/15/2016 11:46:15

stalhazi finished his last game on the Seasonal before it ended.

I dunno, it looks autofinished along with others that ended at 3:38/3:39 (CET)

Yep, looks like you're right. alhazi also looks like he just slowed down during that very last turn.

Edited 7/15/2016 12:16:43

Very nice season Mister, congratulation T !!!

This thread is just a big, salty joke.

"- Blablabla you cheater you stallin' !
- Nah ! I didn't ! you are cheating and stalling blablabla
- No it's not me it's you !!!"

Gratz for winning the season anyway

Edited 7/15/2016 13:13:41

For those who wants to argue here is the top 10 assuming MisterT lost his last game.

   1 alhazi                          2274  195  160    20   85%  1919    0%
   2 MisterT                         2248  201  165    20   85%  1875    0%
   3 FlyingBender                    2228  181  148    20   80%  1954    0%
   4 MIFRAN                          2215  182  154    20   80%  1936    0%
   5 ACLTears                        2199  230  184    20   90%  1684    0%
   6 Turkish                         2171  189  164    20   80%  1835    0%
   7 JV                              2128  172  157    20   75%  1870    0%
   8 USABiches                       2075  171  149    20   75%  1847    0%
   9 Timinator                       2073  186  161    20   75%  1809    0%
  10 Buns157                         2051  170  151    20   75%  1793    0%

That being said, it is not really important whether MisterT stalled (or whether stallhazi stalled for that matter) It is not any individual players foult, but as JSA pointed out, the (alleged) stalling is basically created by the system.

EDIT: Also, the rating/ranking system in seasonal works horrible, in my opinion. 20 games is just not enough, when you have 373 players in the ladder.

Edited 7/15/2016 15:57:53

Funny that the slow player lacks patience.
Congratz on the win.

Someone's salty here

Damn right I'm salty. This will be my last post about this since I don't want to waste any more time on it. I agree that the system for the end of the Seasonal Ladder needs to be improved. All of this nonsense stems from the end of season rules. This has come up in the past (JV win) and will come up again. I seem to remember a lot of drama about someone taking vacations to get games to the tiebreaker instead of playing them out. Fizzer intervened there. Stalling out the last turn to avoid finishing the game seems like a less egregious version of that, but I guess that's ok as long as you play the beginning of the game fast enough. This is really a shame because I think the Seasonal Ladder is the most fun thing on warlight.

From what I see in the game, MisterT has the advantage before turn 6 and ACL has the advantage on turn 6 and would continue to win if the game carried on, provided that he knew what has to be done, and the advantage will only be fully apparent at least 3 turns later. It is also coincidental that MisterT didn't commit for turn 7.

From ACL's point of view, there were 3 possible reasons why he wanted to play fast after turn 6.
- He got a warning from Fizzer
- He knew he was going to win
- He was planning to get the 5 bonus and stall the next turn to win

About the playing speeds of the players, MisterT is one of the fastest players here while ACL Tears is one of the slowest. It's obvious MisterT was stalling.

Was MisterT right to stall? If he believed that ACL was planning to get the 5 bonus and stall the next turn to win, then MisterT is right, but if MisterT believed that he was going to lose if he played on, and thus chose to stall, then he would be wrong. Only they know what they knew, no one can judge them based on the limited amount of information we have.

Edited 7/16/2016 08:21:28

About my game with USA Biches, it takes only basic counting or some Excel knowledge to determine that I committed while USA Biches was stalling during the last turn. Also, even a level 30 beginner would be able to win easily from my position.

Some interesting facts from that game, USA Biches asked for rt the moment he had some form of advantage, but didn't know how to keep it. Before he had that advantage and after he lost it, he was stalling.

Now about my stalling, I only stall in 1v1 ladder as that is the only place where there is benefit in stalling. I don't act like a hypocrite pretending that my opponent is a staller that's why I chose to stall. I have currently stopped stalling in 1v1 ladder simply because I don't feel like doing it, and will stall again if I want to.

Those who choose to call me names and act like I have done something seriously wrong should show some proof of warlight rules to show that I have done wrong. They should also beat me in at least one game (*looks at Ollie*) before trying to defame me.

Edited 7/16/2016 07:23:44

haha wow. I thought you were a mute, alhazi ;)

It's obvious MisterT was stalling.

Only they know what they knew,
no one can judge them based on the limited amount of information we have.

Contradictory statements...

People try to defame you because stalling is seen as dishonourable by the masses.
Can you blame them, especially when you offer no rebukes?

This is the first time I've seen you say anything.

That said, nobody can argue that you aren't a very skilled player.
I hope you choose not to stall any more. I don't think you need to.

Opinions from one side, reactions from the other and vice versa.
Still all of you people miss the main problem here, let me point it out for you.

THIS THREAD BELONG TO THE LADDER SECTION OF THE FORUM NOT GENERAL

Edited 7/16/2016 14:00:10

Congratz MisterT for winning the seasonal!

Reported for foul language.

Also, the rating/ranking system in seasonal works horrible, in my opinion. 20 games is just not enough, when you have 373 players in the ladder.

Uservoice?

@alhazi: how could you figure out who committed first if the turn got deleted? I don't see the data stored anywhere.