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The Great War - 1914 huge map: 5/26/2017 13:23:49


{Canidae} Kretoma 
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A short and broad plot (does not claim too much accuracy):

United States 529
United Kingdom 473
China 242
Germany 239
Russia 238
France 164
Austria-Hungary 101
Italy 95
Japan 89
Netherlands 70
Spain 46
Canada 35
Belgium 34
Australia 28
Brazil 24
Sweden 17
...

Now here come problems i need some opinions on:
GDP is good for representing raw power, but does not take military doctrine, morale and system stability into account.
Therefore even if it is quite good as a representation, i could try to modify the numbers to make it even more accucate.
Here comes the "but":
How do we measure theese soft factors?
Examples:

United States down (military not suited for trech warfare, only counter insurgency experience)
United Kingdom down (spread Empire binds a lot of ressources, divide and conquer doctrine)
China DOWN (civil war)
Germany up (strong military tradition, world leader in chemical industry)
Russia down (low morale and spread Empire binds a lot of ressources)
France down (spread Empire binds a lot of ressources)
Austria-Hungary down (divide and conquer doctrine)
Italy down (incompetent leadership)
Japan up (trench warfare experience)
Netherlands ---
Spain ---
Canada down (no experience)
Belgium down (only counter insurgency experience)
Australia down (no experience)
Brazil ---
Sweden ---

how does this look? (Japan, Belgium and Austria with sligthly adjusted GDP bonuses)
https://www.warlight.net/SinglePlayer?PreviewMap=65984

Edited 6/3/2017 08:28:52
The Great War - 1914 huge map: 6/3/2017 07:50:28


{Canidae} Kretoma 
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A strawpoll:
http://www.strawpoll.me/13101667
please do some feedback so i can continue. ;)
The Great War - 1914 huge map: 6/6/2017 16:10:47


{Canidae} Kretoma 
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5-2. I think that is clear.
Made bonus adjustments for Austria-Hungary (1049), Japan (970), US (97), Serbia (73), Albania (7), Saudi (3), Ha'il (2), Oman (1), Ottomans (278) and Yemen (5). The rest will be done till end of the week.

Edited 6/6/2017 16:12:29
The Great War - 1914 huge map: 6/7/2017 16:06:28


Ekroth Ekronicus 
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Quick question, how come your not including ALL countries again?
The Great War - 1914 huge map: 6/7/2017 17:56:15


{Canidae} Kretoma 
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Please specify. Do you mean lands like Spain?
The Great War - 1914 huge map: 6/7/2017 22:11:15


apollong3
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Because he wants to save diskspace for the ones that actually participated
The Great War - 1914 huge map: 6/9/2017 00:12:38


Ekroth Ekronicus 
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Specifically, all of China. It looks a bit odd just including only specific areas.
The Great War - 1914 huge map: 6/9/2017 00:14:02


Ekroth Ekronicus 
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That's actually the only place I'm actually worried about. Though I'm fine with whatever you end up doing.
The Great War - 1914 huge map: 6/23/2017 04:44:04


Ekroth Ekronicus 
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Though I suppose China isn't really THAT important
The Great War - 1914 huge map: 6/29/2017 06:06:39


Φιλώτας 
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There is no possible way to make a great war map balanced even for 1914:

-Entante owns almost the entire map from the beginning
-Russia lost initiate battle of Tannenberg removing much of the pressure from Germany
-German colonies of Togoland,South West Africa fell relatively quick, Cameroons held for 14 months whilst German east Africa surrendered 9 days after 1918 armistice (difficult to balance all that)
-A boer uprising occured in zuid Africa against british
-Income will probably have to be based on the quality of the region not how wide they are (Tundra, desert- Valley,Industrial region)
The Great War - 1914 huge map: 6/29/2017 15:53:03


{Canidae} Kretoma 
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Hello!

"Entante owns almost the entire map from the beginning"
That is a disadvantage in LD or army cap, and the war only makes sense with theese features enabled.

"Russia lost initiate battle of Tannenberg removing much of the pressure from Germany"
Partly true. The Austrians and Hungarians would disagree about that "initiative part" thou.

"German colonies of Togoland,South West Africa fell relatively quick, Cameroons held for 14 months whilst German east Africa surrendered 9 days after 1918 armistice (difficult to balance all that)"
GDP figures are the way. Look at the colonies this way (size and population): Togoland: one province in Warlight, just 1 million inhabitants. South West Africa: large, but only 200 thousand inhabitants. Also almost no jungle or mountains. Cameroon: large, much jungle and a population of 4,6 million inhabitants. East Africa: large with mountain ranges, forests swamps and a large population of 7,7 million.

"A boer uprising occured in zuid Africa against british"
I know. It will be implemented in the same way like the Arab Rebellion and the Senussi proxies in French West Africa.

"Income will probably have to be based on the quality of the region not how wide they are (Tundra, desert- Valley,Industrial region)"
I will largely base it on GDP and population numbers.

A question from myself:
How do you think about the French-German income disparity of 7:13 ?

Edited 6/29/2017 15:53:31
The Great War - 1914 huge map: 6/29/2017 21:45:59


Castle Bravo
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no US?
The Great War - 1914 huge map: 6/29/2017 22:34:28


OnlyThePie
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Oh yeah Bravo, cause the map isn't big enough as it is?

No fighting took place there, why waste the space?
The Great War - 1914 huge map: 6/29/2017 23:45:04

Numberhawk44
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How would the Russian Revolution be implemented?

Personally I really like the mechanic seen in a lot of Game of Thones maps where the White Walkers need to break through several provinces before reaching the actual map, which means that it takes a while to get it started.

As far as trenches go, I know this is late but it might work to have one or two long, narrow provinces in northern France that form a line. Since the French would only need to staff those two provinces instead of 4+, they would be much easier to defend than attack. Just a thought lol
The Great War - 1914 huge map: 6/30/2017 20:34:46

snife 
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I do not really get why the map is focused around asia so much?
I think a focus around europe, northern africa and western Asia might be better.
It will add more WWI feeling and you could exclude the wasted space in asia. This way the war (and territories) in europe can be more detailed.

Can you tell me the point in adding asia/australia into this?
The Great War - 1914 huge map: 7/1/2017 22:25:19


Belgian Gentleman
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How do you think about the French-German income disparity of 7:13 ?


nahhh the gap should be bigger. Germany had a way better advanced military than the French, plus it proved it to be succesfull fighting the war on two fronts and 3 big enemies; France, UK and Russia. Nevertheless the troops these supernations gathered from the colonies. Make it 5:13
Heil Kaiser Wilhelm

- Succesfull conqueror of Belgium
The Great War - 1914 huge map: 7/4/2017 22:34:10


Wulfhere
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The Kaiser did nothing wrong
The Great War - 1914 huge map: 7/22/2017 10:40:54


{Canidae} Kretoma 
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YAY THIS IS NOT DEAD! ^^ (Whait, who is the mapmaker? - YOU dumbass!)

Several updates concerning the bonuses. Still much work and i sadly have less and less time (preperation for bachelors degree will start in some months). I will continue working on it, but if someone thinks he/she can finish it earlier than 1 year from now on, just ask for the SVG...
The Great War - 1914 huge map: 7/25/2017 12:55:55

Marck VI
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Buggy's idea is good. The USA shipped tons of everything to the allies during it's neutrality, and saying that add it would overpower the entente is not entirely correct. There was a solid path as a neutral but important country, and it has been argued that without buying hugely from the USA, the Entente would have a very hard time facing the industrial might that backed the German Army, and that is a thought to be mindful of, since it's what motivated the German High Command to launch the unrestricted submarine Warfare following the Turnip Winter.
If the criteria for adding countries is to add countries that actively sent men to the War, Brazil could be added, but Brazil's direct contribuition to the killing was negligible. The Brazilian Navy was sent to the Mediterranean to aid in the anti-submarine warfare, but didn't arrived until the war was over. It also sent a medical core to Belgium and the Brazilian Air Force, thought I can't tell the impact of these two.
But all this can be just fine as another map, one that explore the economical aspect of the war more deeply. The map you have is very good.
The Great War - 1914 huge map: 7/25/2017 12:56:00

Marck VI
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Buggy's idea is good. The USA shipped tons of everything to the allies during it's neutrality, and saying that add it would overpower the entente is not entirely correct. There was a solid path as a neutral but important country, and it has been argued that without buying hugely from the USA, the Entente would have a very hard time facing the industrial might that backed the German Army, and that is a thought to be mindful of, since it's what motivated the German High Command to launch the unrestricted submarine Warfare following the Turnip Winter.
If the criteria for adding countries is to add countries that actively sent men to the War, Brazil could be added, but Brazil's direct contribuition to the killing was negligible. The Brazilian Navy was sent to the Mediterranean to aid in the anti-submarine warfare, but didn't arrived until the war was over. It also sent a medical core to Belgium and the Brazilian Air Force, thought I can't tell the impact of these two.
But all this can be just fine as another map, one that explore the economical aspect of the war more deeply. The map you have is very good.
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