This is not an honor. It's an opportunity. Being accepted into [20A] or even [20B] is an honor. This is to find which players actually belong in [20A] and give them an oppurtunity to prove themselves.

Piggy, Green Beret and Yeon are the only two that have caught my eye that have never played 1v1 ladder (at least in past year or two). I have not had too much oppurtunity to see new talent since my return to warlight about half a month ago. I am constantly on the lookout though.

Lolowut, Krzychu can make no case he belongs in [20A]. Look at the ladder, his last 12 games or so. He is 4-8, most of his games are not even agaisnst great players. He's a good player, but we have a pretty good idea of how good he actually is and he's not a great player.

Green Beret is 2-0 agaisnt Longhouse in recent tournaments, 1-0 against abr, 0-1 against Gambler, 1-0 against Krzychu, 0-2 agaisnt Frankdeslimste, 0-1 agaisnt Tenshi. He is 3-2 in a tournament where 7 guys have played fast and have games done. He is above Gambler who is 3-3, he has the tiebreaker on Longhouse who is 4-2, abr is 2-3, Krzychu is 2-4. So compared to the two potential [20A] qualifiers, he is doing better than them, and is showing he can actively compete against [20A] plaeyrs.

And yeah, Gui's a given if he wants in.

Why are you convinced Krzychu is better than Green Beret? You have no evidence to back it up at all that I see.

Brain, Gambler, Krzychu are all shoe-ins for [20B] I think, and if you win [20B], you are automatically put into [A] for next season, and if you finish well, you can be added into the qualification process.

Qualification is not saying these players are better than anybody not qualified. It is saying that they deserve to be given a shot for a success they had in something. I also think it is likely only 13-14 of the orignial players that I asked about this are intersted. A few will be too busy, and grona and zibik might not even be interested. Krzychu and Gambler are two of my next options.

Just found this tournament:
http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=6310

Kryzchu and Warlightmaster both are active that tournament and get booted none. WarlightMaster is 12-7, Kryzchu is 10-8. Why are you convinced Kryzchu is better than him?

Edited 11/16/2013 14:46:07

isnt green beret your alt/brother, jay?

btw, thanks for invite to the [20] tournies, but I'm keen to avoid 1v1 multidays. :)

Edited 11/16/2013 15:27:06

I am 32-7 since I have returned to warlight.

[20A] players:
Beat Beelzebub, Longhouse (x2)
Lost to Frankdeslismte (x2)
3-2

[20B] plaeyrs (assuming that the few that are trying don't qualify for [A]:
Wins: Abr, TheWarlightmaster, Synesthesia, CONQUISTADORS, REDSOXWINTHEWORLDSERIES, Kryzchu
Losses: Tenshi, Gambler
6-2

[20C] players:
Wins: Hauptmann (x2), Ema20 (x2), Bigchps, GMontag, Angle Lust, lawm, Miyagi, Pedro Luiz, General Charles, Polakillo
Losses: JV, Bigchps, Pedro Luiz
12-3

Others: 11-0

Dear Brain, Yes I am JSA's brother. So I see where people think it is biased. But if you look at my results, I feel confident you will realize I deserve a chance.

Edited 11/16/2013 15:29:52

like i said before, you're as 'jay' as possible.

That doesn't make sense. If I was jsa, why would I give up my spot in [20A] only to try to qualify for [20A] again? It makes no sense in my mind.

jay is not only a name, it is a type of behaviour.

let me demonstrate the art of 'jay'.

I hereby declare to the world my recent results with the 'top' players mentioned along with my name, for i assume that you all are eager to know about my win rates.

I have won my last 9 1v1 games in a row against Krzychu, with the last being this one as evidence: http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=4908101
9 game streak! I am clearly greater than krzychu!

Now, let us talk about gambler!

Out of my last 12 games against Gambler, I have won 8 and only lost 4. It is clear that Gambler is no match for me.

Therefore, i declare myself 20A worthy!

As you can see, God has blessed us all with this evidence, what evidence do you petty mortals have against me?

PS: This is all true, making it more 'jay'

Edited 11/16/2013 15:50:54

Brain, I am obviously not doing a "jay" then. I openly told my scores against all players, rather than just a couple.

well since you all are so eager to k now them, i can reveal more if you like, i only revealed kzryshu and gambler because they were mentioned along with my name :)

Ah it's green beret a.k.a. master race, the sole reason why the Masters clan lost all chances to rise to group A in jayleague.

I say - in my opinion he is an alt. I don't accept him. End of story. JSA logic.

and you did not even mention Latnox, who i have suggested. Besides - why do you again base all your opinions on 1v1??? this thing is about 1v1 2v2 AND 3v3.. so teamplayers.. like me for example don't necessarily have great 1v1 records..

Edited 11/16/2013 17:07:59

i give mine opinion:
Green Beret is good for [20] B or C, for sure not A.
If i have to be honest, JSA is not even that good. And his alt/Brother is for sure not better then him.
and say "i am 1-0 with XX, 2-0 with YYY" is nothing IMHO.
but this is only my opinion.
and yeah i think too he is an alt.

Edited 11/16/2013 17:15:36

and also, why is jsa deciding who have to play in A B C? :P

And Gnuffone, assuming you are right about Green Beret, he will have no chance of winning the playoff system.

And yeah, I'm gonna be honest here. I seriously think I am average on [20A] for 1v1. But on team games, I am in the lower 50%. I wouldn't say I'm at the very bottom in [20A] this season at team games, but I'm below the average [20A] participant. In my opinion, there are 5-6 guys I'd bet on against me in 1v1. Dreuj, Teddy, Gnuffone, Dead piggy, Timinator. There are 3-4 I know I would beat more than half the time. There are about 10 that I would say are very close to even with me. In team games, I know 7 guys I would take over me. Jupiter, Mannerheim, Frank, Gnuffone, Falker, Timinator, Fridge. From my experience, I am about even with the rest, and for sure better than 1-2.

This is me being completely honest and unbiased. Not what I can do if I'm on top of my game, I'm saying on average. I was in [20A] last season because I was between 10th and 20th best player of warlight that wanted to compete in [20]. By now, I think Summer looks like she's passed me up, and a couple others might have as well. I am at the point where I would finish below .500 in [20A], but well above .500 in [20B].

And with Green Beret, I think he is surprisingly good. He was not as good as me when we both left warlight but since he has returned, he has gotten much better in my opinion. I have not played him in 1v1 in a long time, but I think there is a good chance he is just as good as me from what I have seen. This qualification process will show if he really is deserving of [20A] or if I overrate him.

And like my brother said, If he was my alt, why would I drop out of [20A] in order to play a qualification tournament?

And I choose because I have run [20] roudn robins for the last two seasons. This saeson I have less power than most, because I am letting the players play themselves in rather than picking someone over someone else.

Edited 11/16/2013 17:22:33

Fridge, you know as well as I that players can be carried on teams. Despite Europe 3v3 being one of my worst templates, I have a decent chance of winning [20A] in 3v3 because of my teammates. It's hard to judge players on team games because you never know when they are being carried or if their moves are completely orchestrated by them.

And I plan to have Fridge and GNuffone help me pick the [20B] and [20C] players.

Edited 11/16/2013 17:47:17

JSA wrote: Why was Yeon so underrated by many people in the past (including myself)? It's because he never proved his skills in the ladder or [20]. He played in the seasonal ladder and won it, and now people realize he's great. Same with Norway in the Nation's Cup. The previous winners were not even ranked in the top 8 by the people's votes! It's becasue their plaeyrs were not well known like others were. You have to give people a chance.

Basically, there are two things to say to this. First of all, even if you do pay attention, it's really hard to judge people's playing strength based on a few games, and you will only have seen games from a small subset of players. So any mention of "the best X players of warlight" as a fact is meaningless and just makes you sound stupid. Surely yes, you can pinpoint some very good players. How many players on Warlight are better than them? Now that is a question nobody can answer.

The other thing to say is that you obviously haven't paid attention when you said I had never proven myself in ladder play; I won all(!) games of the first Seasonal Ladder and I was 2nd in the 1v1 ladder back then. My weakest ladder performance was the 18-3 record of SL2.

I think you'd do well to take a couple steps back and look at yourself and how you present your arguments. Either you claim that your subjective opinion of a handful players is enough to rank everyone (including people you have no idea who are), or suddenly the ones who won before should decide the rules and players with obviously better credentials will have to start at the bottom. Changing one's opinion when faced with better arguments is one thing, but you seem to change your opinion solely based on what you perceive is to your advantage at the given moment, and then create arguments from that. It does not make you look good.

I beat longhouse like 4 times recently does that mean i automatically make 20A?
no longhouse is a great over all player but i find that he allows a middle player like me or Ema or others to beat him often, suggesting that Green Baret should be in 20A is absurd i'd say 20B but i mean thats just me, any who if i actually am invited to 20C which most of the players there are my level Id have some fun

I never paid attention to ladders back then, because I was not a member. Season 1 and 2 and 3 are before my time. That is why I did not pay attention to them. And I know many others think Seasonals are not an accurate display of skill in man of them.

I don't change my opinions on many things, most of the time there are completely different scenerios involved but people don't realize it. There has never been a qualifying thing for [20A] as far as I know. So how can I change my opinion on it?

I am not suggesting Green Beret should be in [20A]. It appears I have misled a lot of you to that conception. I don not believe that. I believe he should be given the chance to compete for [20A] because we don't know how good he actually is.

I think he is actually [20B] level but I am not for sure.

Edited 11/16/2013 18:01:42

I think you may have some difficulties with finding 16 willing to play out of that 19. Even when you add other players mentioned here, it might be not enough.

Argue who should play and who shouldn't once you reach more than 16 eager to play.